More of Harvey's WOW (Words of Wisdom)

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Words To Live By In The Studio

At Indian Trail Recording Studio, there is a sign on the wall in very large letters so everybody can read it easily. There are only 14 sentences on the sign, but each sentence is designed to make people stop and think. That's the purpose of the sign. It's very basic stuff, but that's often the first thing people lose sight of when they get into a studio. I'm going to add a few lines of explanation for each sentence (although it's pretty self-explanatory).

WHERE'S THE "HOOK"? That's the part of the song you mostly remember, either a catchy phrase, or melody, or both. It can even be an unusual instrument. Most hit songs have a "hook". All time great lyric hook? Probably Steppenwolf's "Born To Be Wild". All time great melody hook? Hendrix "Purple Haze".

GET TO THE "HOOK" IN UNDER ONE MINUTE If you want to be a star, don't waste your time setting up a long, complicated intro to a song. Get to the heart of the song quickly. Consider the examples listed above. When you're doing your stage show, then you can do the long version. A record executive will give you about 12 seconds of his time. If you spend two minutes just getting into the song, you haven't got a chance.

IS IT "RADIO-FRIENDLY"? Is it the kind of music you're likely to hear on the radio? If a radio station won't touch it, chances are a record exec won't either.

IS IT TOO LONG? Again, leave the long version for the stage show. Tell your story in 3 to 3½ minutes. (This isn't a hard and fast rule, but if you're gonna take 6 minutes to say what you want to say, it better be important stuff that people want to hear.)

DOES IT MAKE SENSE? Is your lyric really tight? Are you just throwing in lines to stretch the song? You've got 3 to 3½ minutes to tell your story - make every second count.

IS IT BORING? Watch your audience - if they start fidgeting halfway through the song, you're losing them. Either shorten the song or add more excitement.

FEELING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN TECHNIQUE Nobody thinks Smashing Pumpkins are the best musicians on the planet and they'll never win a Grammy for "Instrumental of the Year". Unless you're Dream Theater, go for feeling.

CAN YOU DO IT BETTER OR JUST DIFFERENT? Guitar players, and some singers, are funny sometimes. If they improvise, they want to lay down 20 tracks and choose the best parts. That's OK if you have unlimited time and money, but most of the time, any good take will work fine.

A "MISTAKE" IS OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY During a session, somebody will sometimes hit a note they didn't mean to hit. Is it a mistake? Yes, no, maybe, or maybe not. If the song is in E minor and the guitar player hits an E major, it's probably a mistake, but if the bass player hits a B instead of an E, it may not be a "mistake" - it may make the song better.

IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT Part of the "I can do it better" syndrome. I once had a drummer in the studio that played simple tom rolls for a whole section of a song and he hated it. It was perfect for the song, but he thought that other drummers who heard it would laugh at him. He was more concerned about impressing other drummers rather than playing what the song needed.

DON'T OVER-PRODUCE If you have a small group (Bass, Guitar, Drums, and Vocals), you do not need 6 guitar tracks. Two similar rhythm guitar tracks (for fattening) and a lead track are more than enough. Most engineers (myself included) are frustrated producers. When you have all those tracks available, the temptation is to "use 'em all."

DON'T LOSE THE FEEL The basic "groove" of the song is important. If you cover up the groove by adding more and more stuff, you stand a serious chance of messing up the song. If the groove isn't there, all the extra things you add won't help.

PERFECT DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN GOOD Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Green Days, and Tripping Daisy proved that you don't have to be an Eric Clapton to have a hit record. Do what you do best. If the lyric is the most important thing in your songs, you don't need a killer guitar solo (or any solo for that matter).

IF YOU OVERPOLISH, YOU MAY LOSE THE EDGES Sometimes a group will work for weeks in the studio, eliminating every fret rattle, adjusting the volume of each note in a solo until it's perfectly balanced, or actually punching in every line of the vocal, line by line. Sometimes it's better, but not usually. Most often, the life goes out of the song and you lose the emotional impact in the quest for perfection. If the group is solid in the studio, it comes through on the tape and it's fun. If it's overpolished, it comes off sounding cold and sterile. "The operation was a success, but the patient died."

HONOR THE SONG The song will always tell you what it wants or needs, if you'll just stop and listen to it with an open mind. That 3 word sentence should be emblazened on a banner stretched across the back wall of every studio in the world.
--------------------

Harvey Gerst,
Engineer
ITRstudio.com
 
good read

Hey Bruce...this Harvey guy is he the same producer that did the early "ZZTOP" recordings at Indian trail studio's? I had read where they were having a terrible time trying to get the sound that "their" producer wanted and so they sent him after some chicken up the road somewhere and when he got back they had "the sound". Or mabey I dreamed that up. Good stuff!
 
Bruce,

You are on a roll...Im printing these tips along with that "clinic" on drum kit recording....
 
Re: good read

David said:
Hey Bruce...this Harvey guy is he the same producer that did the early "ZZTOP" recordings at Indian trail studio's? I had read where they were having a terrible time trying to get the sound that "their" producer wanted and so they sent him after some chicken up the road somewhere and when he got back they had "the sound". Or mabey I dreamed that up. Good stuff!
Hmmm... not sure about the story, but Harvey IS definitely Indian Trail Studios!!

:)
 
Good advice for those that wanna be rock stars, I suppose. But lets face it: I'm too old to hang onto hopes of rock stardom. I think I should stick to long, hookless, radio-hostile songs that take forever to develop :D.

(really, it was good overall stuff Bruce... just being a smartass)
 
Harvey is just up the road from me in Denton Tx.His excellant advise is very much appreciated.Thanks for posting his tips.The Indian Trails website is a wealth of good info.

Tom

P.S. the ZZTop story doesn't sound right.Harvey didn't have his studio in denton back in the early 70s and Bill Ham (Top's producer)wasn't a chicken-chasing lackey (Jesus done left Chicago is their tribute to how well he managed their carear).
 
You're starting to get interesting, Bruce Blue Bear. You must be feeling relaxed these days. Your post is a really good one, and I'm going to put stars up.

Two comments: first, I noticed this one already with my own work - " most of the time, any good take will work fine." I sit on five takes of the same song, and wonder which one to go with. Sheesh. If it takes so much time to figure out, then any one will do, right?

Second comment: some of Harvey's pithy zingers are aimed at the pop hit music machine exclusively. Some of my favorite stuff of all time breaks some of those rules - Stone Roses, Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, Scott Walker. Some of my favorite stuff follows those rules, but still doesn't garner the plaudits of the hoy polloy - Mr Bungle ("California", easily one of the most beautiful pop confections of all time - thanks, S8-N), Tom Waits, Lambchop. And yet although what I say is more or less true, I understand that Harvey's questions need to be asked by a lot of wannabes. Which means, I suppose, that they shouldn't be on the wall of a studio (unless they're meant to humble deadbeats), they should be in the living rooms of people who write songs.

Hm... I write songs.

Good thread, fivestar.
 
dobro said:
You're starting to get interesting, Bruce Blue Bear.
Yikes!!!!!!!! Just "starting to"?????????!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmm... not sure how to take THAT comment..........

But thanks, I think!

Bruce
:)
 
Interesting to me, dude. Things you've posted before have been useful to me, but never this interesting. If you want to reach people you have to speak a language they understand, and your post at the head of this thread is speaking my language. Don't sound so shocked at my comment. I mean, are most of my posts interesting to you? So, why should most of yours be interesting to me? I'm trying to be clear and logical here, not insulting.

But this thread has loads of things to think about. Each one of the ideas in your first post could be a thread in itself. Hey! Shall I start a new thread with each one?
 
Good stuff Bruce :)
My favourite wall post is

The beatings will cease when morale improves

cheers
John
 
I'd have to cross off some on that list...
Seems a little intimidating to the artist. (at least I would be.:))

"Is it boring?" geez- I dunno. That's a tough one when you've heard it 10,000 times!

IS it OK to answer NO to "Is it Radio Friendly" :D?

-jhe
 
P.S. the ZZTop story doesn't sound right.Harvey didn't have his studio in denton back in the early 70s and Bill Ham (Top's producer)wasn't a chicken-chasing lackey (Jesus done left Chicago is their tribute to how well he managed their carear).

Hey Tom, I went back and found where I read that. The studio was "Robin Hood studios" in Tyler Tx, and the engineer was "Robinhood Brains"http://www.robinhoodstudios.com/ ...the site is messed up right now but thats where I got the info.
 
Ok, Ok Bruce. I give up. I'll give you Dr. Laura's phone #.
 
Hey Hix........

...once, just once - maybe for my birthday - I'd like to read one of your posts and have it make some f*ckin' sense to me!!!!! ;)

Bruce

:D
 
I'd like to add one I read recently on the wall of a high school band room.

Paraphrased;

"Musical maturity may mean overlooking faster, louder,higher, in order to more completely contemplate the intricacies of the whole note."

Twist
 
You better not be sayin Dream Theater doesn't have feeling!!! :D...I love those guys!

Whether you agree with all those or not, anything that gets you to stop and think about what you are actually doing is a good thing. ;)
 
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