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ecktronic said:
I wouldnt totally stop using a brick wall limiter at mastering on your music. The volume would just not be loud enough.
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Heres to you and anyone else buying into this loudness bullshit.
 

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oh is that why so much music these days is starting to sound like crap? I've noticed specifically on the radio these days, all the same generic rock that's popular right now has been over compressed.

question: is it possible that radio stations also over-compress the music before they broadcast it?
 
Hubbawho said:
oh is that why so much music these days is starting to sound like crap? I've noticed specifically on the radio these days, all the same generic rock that's popular right now has been over compressed.
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Well i think the reason the whole volume thing started is because they wanted the cd's to sound like the radio.

The radio stations limit the begeezus out of everything to maintain even volume playback from song to song.
Thats fine and dandy for consistencies sake, but you cant deny it sounds squashed to death.

Hubbawho said:
question: is it possible that radio stations also over-compress the music before they broadcast it?
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Yes. But theres no need for us to do it. We arent dj's man.

We are engineers.

-Finster
 
My point was that L2 CAN be used to a certain ecstent. If used to clip the spikes off the drums and the very tips of the guitars/vocals etc. it can work well leaving clean results.
I will admit that i usually blast the level through the L2 and come out with RMS average of -10dB for rock and -9dB for dance/electronic music.
I really should calm down a bit with it as i have noticed my mixes getting some unwanted distortion added to them from the L2. My current album project for Serotone has all been mastered apart from two songs so i am gonna leave the RMS at -10dB for these.
 
Ah, finally got back home.. Alot happened at the forum(s)!

Just listened the song, nice tracking&mixing. I think this one is the best from you so far. Really can't find anything that bothers. Guitars sound nice. Kinda bit different than the "mainstream" heavy sound but I think that is just a great thing :). At least I like the sound hehe...

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Oh and about those limiters. They are really great things to have, but they can ruin so much too.. For example if you record to digital eg. overheads those really loud and extremely short "spikes" you are getting limit the overall volume of the mix quite alot. Analog tape does compress/limit these naturally but when going straight to digital.. That is one reason many engineers record drums almost always to analog first. There a limiter is almost a neccesity. Of course the result won't be as "soft" as it would be with the tape. IMO those brickwalls are used right when you are only taming some of the extremely short peaks that would otherwise cause the mix to be like 3-5db quieter. Squashing the hell out of it is plainly dumb...
 
xfinsterx said:
Heres the mastered version of the song.

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Finster, what can I say??? Man, I'll bet you could make my music sound good. That was a damn fine job. Very cool. These guys did a great performance, and you captured it well. Cool....
Ed
 
Not qualified to comment on the mix, but the song is nice and listenable. Nothing I hear distracts from enjoying the music. Oops, check that, at the very end of the song, the snare sounds kinda flat. That is the only thing that took my attention away from the song, but that could be just a personal taste issue. Overall it sounds like a great metal recording.

amra
 
Who mastered this? Not too sure about the master. It seems to be lacking something. Are the high mids too much maybe?
I aint a mastering engineer, but im sure there is something not right here.
 
yeah hmh... Your master is quite bright. I would add quite bit low end there and cut a bit around 2.5-3khz (not much if none at all, with that lowend added this may not be neccesary at all). Now it kinda lacks the power I would like the track to have.
 
Kainz said:
yeah hmh... Your master is quite bright. I would add quite bit low end there and cut a bit around 2.5-3khz (not much if none at all, with that lowend added this may not be neccesary at all). Now it kinda lacks the power I would like the track to have.
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Yeah i think it is maybe a tad on the bright side which kinda takes away from the meat of the song. If you are happy with the hi end i would prob boost the lo end a few dB then compress the lo end if need be to get that tight yet meaty lo end.
 
The band and i agreed.
Too harshish.
But just a tad.
Ima take it back and have the dude redo it.
 
Nice one. Wasnt sure how you would take me dissing your ME as im sure hes alot better than I am anyway. But i suppose many ears are better than two ears.
 
xfinsterx said:
Yep. Thats why i post here.
Its a tool.
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Dito man. It is soo easy to miss a critical point, especially if you are mixing lots of diferent types of music.
 
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