More GAIN in vocals during mixing

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What are some tips on how to get more GAIN in the vocals during the mixing?

The vocals are not loud enough i either have to SHIFT all the faders down and submix the backing tracks seperate than the vocals but i need MORE GAIN for the vocals so i COPY the vocal track like 2 or 3 times what am i doing wrong?
 
Alright, walters, you've asked a reasonable question this time.

First, based upon your description, you're not really doing anything wrong. What you're doing is called "Mixing" :). And when you have a lead vocal that has to stand up in front of who knows how many other tracks, it's not unusual to have to drop the backing tracks a bit and bring the vocals forward some.

That said, though, making multiple copies of a track to boost the gain is really no different than just boosting the gain on a single track. You shouldn't have to do the multiple tracks thing just to get volume. So here's a couple of things to look at:

First, make your you have the gain staging set up correctly when you're recording the vocals. Is your mic pre putting out something close to 0VU on an average? How about anything else like a compressor that you may have in the recording signal chain; are you compressing but not applying makeup gain to return the average tracking level back up to nominal line level?

Speaking of compression, that the second thing to look at. If your vocals are on the dynamic side, you might need to add a little compression to them (not too much) to tighen them up and give yourself a lttle more headroom on the track so you have a little more room to apply some extra gain.

And finally, don't be afraid of turning down the backing tracks, They don't need to be riding at anything near their full volume capacity. Turning down a few tracks in order to make room for a lead track is often a better idea than trying to push the lead track too hard. If you feel your mixdown is too quiet, you can always make up for that by tweaking the mixdown.

Now see, Wally; you ask a reasonable question and you'll get a reasonable answer. Simple, isn't it? :D

G.
 
First you gargle with a capfull of this. Then put your mic preamp in the washing machine, also with a single capful. Wait until after the spin cycle. Take your preamp out, and immediately plug it in. With that approach, you'll get tons of gain. Good luck!
 

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1.) are you compressing but not applying makeup gain to return the average tracking level back up to nominal line level?

I just plug my shure58 direct/straight into the tascam 2488 DAW record and use the TRIMMER i dont use NO preamp or compressor

The problem i do have is how do u bring the vocals UP FRONT?
 
Up front vocals is usually dependent on how you recorded them. If the mic was too far away or you recorded in an untreated room they might still seem kind of 'distant' no matter what you do. Try recording them in an isolated area so you can get a more upfront sound. You can always add ambience/reverb later on.

If you're mixing and the rest of the tracks are too loud compared to the vocals then turn them down. If some parts, the vocals stand out well enough, but other parts of the song, the vocals get buried, then you'll need to mess with volume automation and maybe even compression to tame the dynamics. EQ automation is another option but I would try messing with levels/compression/volume automation first.
 
I think human hearing is focused towards voice and the loudness of the voice in the mix will determine the overall presence of the rest of the mix. So, the louder the voice is, the quieter all of the swooshing, swirling, phasing, pitch shifted, delayed, doppler type stuff you are doing will appear. mixing is always a compromise. ;)
 
walters said:
I just plug my shure58 direct/straight into the tascam 2488 DAW record and use the TRIMMER i dont use NO preamp or compressor

The problem i do have is how do u bring the vocals UP FRONT?
You have a talent for asking questions in a way in which they answer themselves (hint hint.)

You are indeed using a preamp if you're plugging into one of the 8 mic/line ins on the 2488. Come on, walters, after 4 years here you should know that. You're not even trying.

Now, which parts of the rest of my original post are not answering your question?

G.
 
A way to get one vocal appear in front of others is to make it drier than the rest. With less reverb on the front vocal it seems closer than the other vocals that have more reverb.
 
Yes the TRIMMER is a preamp but its **BD gain** ceiling is at a lower point to cause distortion

Preamp of 18db maybe is what i need and put the trimmer preamp set lower?

Well i am using the 2488s built in AUX reverb

I put my drum machine drums at the center or close to it
i put my bass guitar at the center
i put my left rhythm guitar at 9 o clock LEFT
i put my right rhythm guitar at 3 o clock Right

I put my single vocal track in the center also or close to it

The vocals are getting recorded HOT because the TRIMMER can't go any more before it distorts and then i back it off so the vocals are getting recorded as HOT as they can because i see the meter bar hit the ceiling

****i was really really thinking i need a box/unit that converts my mono vocals to a STEREO vocals to make them thicker bigger in the stereo field.

I use to just record one rhythm guitar and it seem like something was missing alot in the mix sounded very thin and left out. I now record 2 rhythm guitar tracks Left and right its so so so much better trust me

Thats why i COPY my vocals tracks so one is on the LEFT and the other is on the RIGHT so in the stereo field u can hear the vocals at any speaker to make it more FAT

I plugged my mic into a roland/boss GT6 processor and just used the preamp to boost the gain up and set the trimmer lower i recorded the vocals in 2 stereo to have 2 tracks of vocals, then i set one of the vocals with reverbs and the other more dry i think this was my big problem now its LAYERED VOCALS one dry the other reverb WET now i can hear the vocals more

But still what am i doing wrong because this is not MONO vocals like what most records do right?
 
turned down the TRIMMER and used a preamp it still distorts , so the preamp is not just the answer i hooked up a LIMITER+preamp


*Mic-preamp-limiter-trimmer*

Then i recorded the vocals DUAL MONO to have two track of the same vocals.

Vocal#1 dry
Vocal#2 reverb

sounds great i think
 
SonicAlbert said:
A way to get one vocal appear in front of others is to make it drier than the rest. With less reverb on the front vocal it seems closer than the other vocals that have more reverb.

Fuck!

Totally obvious, and I've still been doing it the other way around. :mad:
 
walters said:
turned down the TRIMMER and used a preamp it still distorts , so the preamp is not just the answer i hooked up a LIMITER+preamp


*Mic-preamp-limiter-trimmer*

Then i recorded the vocals DUAL MONO to have two track of the same vocals.

Vocal#1 dry
Vocal#2 reverb

sounds great i think


Let's hear it. You can't be the judge on whether your own stuff sounds good. Post it in the clinic.
 
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