Monstercable boycott.....

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I thought about the cave for this, but since this is the Studio building forum, and cables are part of the Studio, I thought I'd post this here. As far as I'm concerned, these overinflated egotists are pure corporate scrotum bacteria. F..k them. No Monstercable in my studio...EVER!!! :mad: Their products are overhyped, overpriced, and they can shove their products where the sun don't shine........BOYCOTT MONSTERCABLE.....its happening all over the place.
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~2611825,00.html




The following seems to fit Monster Cable, it's management and legal
team perfectly :

Taken from http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=monster :

monster
c.1300, "malformed animal, creature afflicted with a birth defect," from
O.Fr. monstre, from L. monstrum "monster, monstrosity, omen, portent, sign,"
from root of monere "warn" (see monitor). Abnormal or prodigious animals
were regarded as signs or omens of impending evil. Extended c.1385 to
imaginary animals composed of parts of creatures (centaur, griffin, etc.).
Meaning "animal of vast size" is from 1530; sense of "person of inhuman
cruelty or wickedness" is from 1556. In O.E., the monster Grendel was an
aglæca, a word related to agl
æc "calamity, terror, distress, oppression."

Fucking scumbags.

fitZ
 
Ibought one of those gauranteed for life Monster cables. I have had to return it FOUR times!! In about 4 months!!!! When they do "work" they constantly just slip out of jacks if you even breathe hard on them. I'll join the boycott. Do you know if there is an official sign up for it, to let the fuckers know that they suck? P.S. from this point on ,the letter "A" is an officialy legally copyrighted, patented, registered trademark of and is only to be used by me.
 
P.S. from this point on ,the letter "A" is an officialy legally copyrighted, patented, registered trademark of and is only to be used by me.
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:eek: How _m I going to spe_k my mind from now on. TH_T SUCKS M_N!!
_fter _ll, _n _ is in _lmost _ll words........D_MN! :p
fitZ
 
Im an electrical contractor that has dipped into a little low end home theatre installs. I did research at one of my wholesalers who carried "monster cable" brand name wire, and another brand ( i forget the name) that was run off the same production line, only marked with a different label. SAME EXACT PRODUCT minus the ink. One third the cost. Monster cable brand sticks it to the buyer for the brand name only.

Even after explaining that to home owners, most would rather pay 3x the cost to have "monster cable" than the exact same product by another name. Thats why they are still around, making buttloads of cash. They made a name for themselves...

I have an earthshaking home theatre with floor shaking drivers, not a single stitch is monster cable. :eek:

Anyone comparing CAT5 And CAT5E communications cable should know that the only difference is cat5e is "verified" at a higher speed, and could be "verified" even faster. Its the EXACT SAME WIRE. An industry wire Rep. did a workshop and explained that. More cost for the same product, different Ink on the jacket.

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I have never bought or used a Monster cable product. My guitar player keeps buying them and they keep fucking up and he has to get them replaced. They are extremely noisey. Tapping on one of his cables plugged into his amp produced a sound like tapping on a microphone. Just last month he took one in because the plug snapped off. He showed up to the gig with the replacement and it didn't even make it through sound check. The same thing happened SNAP!
I wouldn't even use a Monster cabled to tie a mattress to the roof of my Tahoe it would probably break before I got out of the parking lot.

I will stick to buying my cheap no-name wires because I also know how to take care of my shit and I never have any issues with them. I have a couple of Whirlwind cables from the 80's that still work like new.

I agree with the the original poster. Monster is overpriced, overhyped, bullshit.

OK that felt better. :)
 
I have never been a monster cable fan, as its cheaper to make your own using canaire/mogami cable with switchcraft connectors.

Also, add "TransTrax" to the list of scumbag vendors.
 
Any of you guys wanna buy some knobs? Only $500 a piece......
 
Track Rat said:
Any of you guys wanna buy some knobs? Only $500 a piece......
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I can't yet. I just bought two 8' speaker wires for $7,600. I'll need to save up.
 
I'm pretty sure that all of us will be sued just for using the word Monster in this thread.

I'll never, ever, ever buy a monster cable. Not because of quality or price but because of the ridiculous notion that they think they could ever own rights to a word in the english language !
 
True confessions time

I own a few Monster-Cable brand products and use them in my studio and on my home theatre system but, I bought them more then 10 years ago when I was a Monster-Cable dealer and could get them at dealer cost.

For me, they have worked decently in terms of sounding neutral and not going defective on me beyond the directional arrow banding stickers falling off the cable ends from old age. I use the 500 series of these cables and nothing else.

I do agree completely with the point that frederic made about building and making your own cables and I do that as well with Canare wire and and Nutrik connectors and they sound and work every bit as good as Monster-Cable.

I do agree with the boycott though as their recent legal practices have been shameful especially going after small companies, completely unrelated to the wire industry that use the word Monster in their Brand or Company name.

Cheers! :)
 
For me, they have worked decently in terms of sounding neutral
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Hey Ghost, HOW do you know its the wire that sounds neutral? :D
BTW, what does NEUTRAL sound like? POSITIVE sounds like shit to me! :p
fitZ
 
RICK FITZPATRICK said:
Hey Ghost, HOW do you know its the wire that sounds neutral? :D
BTW, what does NEUTRAL sound like? POSITIVE sounds like shit to me! :p
fitZ
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It's actually an easy test to perform, especially on mixers which have access send receive patch points instead of the modern TRS insert points.But, with a TRS to two RCA jack molded assembly adapter, it can be performed even easier.

Just plug in the wire and see if the sound changes anything or not.

Many ultra cheap radio shack/no name, $2.99 patch cords will degrade the sound and it's clearly audible, at least to me. :cool:

Cheers! :)
 
Many ultra cheap radio shack/no name, $2.99 patch cords will degrade the sound and it's clearly audible, at least to me.
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OH, I thought you were talking SPEAKER cables........ha, got confused on the $7000 speaker cable thread :rolleyes:
Yea, I can see it if it were unbalanced cables, but speaker cables :p I spent a whopping $6 for my 12ga zip wire. Only How much difference can you hear for an additional $6094 :D Ha, what a freaking joke. Only rich audiodork morons would fall for that one. For those of you who don't beleive me.....check it out
http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=142584

BTW, those speaker box pointy cone standoffs are a joke too. And the "cable lifts", and the $500 knobs........unfreakingbelievable stuff. Suckers everadiay!
fitZ
 
Anyone comparing CAT5 And CAT5E communications cable should know that the only difference is cat5e is "verified" at a higher speed,
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Ha! You ought to see Aircraft stuff. My dad ALMOST bought a potentiometer for his planes radio......cost a whopping $75 cause it was "certified" :rolleyes:
He got the same exact pot at an electronics store for a buck. Never ceases to amaze me.
 
Certification of components is a different story, because of the testing involved to certify the component. Some things need to be certified, some things not (airplane parts should be, hospital test equipment should be, etc).

You can buy certified auto racing parts too, and often one would do this not because the uncertified parts break sooner, just because the tech inspectors are often prissy assholes who will make you tear things down to prove things are in spec. Having receipts for certified parts makes them go away, without having to spend the labor tearing things down, and putting it back together.
 
(airplane parts should be, hospital test equipment should be, etc)
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I agree totally frederic. But in the case of a "certified" pot, the one in the radio "was" certified! Went bad in less than a month. The one for a buck is STILL working after 15 years. THAT is what I am talking about. SOME things, even though called "certified" doesn't mean jackshit. You can still DIE from it, regardless.
And in that regard, there out to be a law that states...."...A product marketed at a price 1000 percent over AVERAGE market value, MUST BE CERTIFIED and PROOF provided that stated benefits actually EXIST under the penalty of fraud." or to that effect :D ..... ie........$7000 speaker cables and $500 knobs :rolleyes: give me a f__King break.....of course..buyer beware still is the byword of common sense, but still.....

....damn theiving assholes don't know the meaning of concience.
 
This is kinda fun, except when you got to the part about aircraft parts. Since this is how I make my living I thought I'd chime in for a minute. It always seems outrageous that aircraft are required to have certified parts that cost many times more than typically available components, unless you consider what that "certification" means.

In the case of aircraft parts, the only legal parts are ones that have documentation which is fully traceable from the manufacturer to the point of installation in the aircraft. That adds a burden to the electronics module manufacturers to maintain that paperwork, which has to be retained for 20 years or so (the typical lifetime of an airplane) and provided to an FAA representative upon request.

Additionally, electronic assemblies have to go through what is called environmental certification to be qualified for use on an aircraft. The lowest risk category for aircraft electronics still have to be tested for survivability through temperature, altitude, humidity, crash/shock testing, electromagnetic radiation/interference/susceptibility, lightning and excess voltage spikes. Plus, if there is ANY software (embedded or user accessible), there are additional documentation requirements. The electronics have to not only pass these tests, but also have to be proven in an aircraft to not have any adverse affect on the other aircraft electronic systems. This means that to put a single CD player, for instance, on a plane, that the same CD player you can get from Best Buy for $100 has to have almost $10,000 worth of testing to be certified for aircraft usage, which means that we get to charge $2500 for the same unit for small orders (and get about $50 in profit). It seems rediculous on the surface, but when you add up what that certification requires, it begins to make some sense. None of us in the business like it because we could make more money another way, but, hey, it is the business we chose so we live with the rules.

Now, as far as my studio goes, I use whatever I can get my hands on. I haven't had good luck with the long term reliability of Radio Shack shielded cable, so I use mostly Belden (I have free access to tons of scraps leftover from the construction of our church, which are long enough for patch cables, and small runs I need in the studio). Monster Cable has always seemed like hype to me.

Darryl.....
 
Rick - certification doesn't necessary guarrentee reliability, but rather value and tolerances.

Say, the pot has a rated resistance of 100K across the substrate. In reality, it could be anywhere from 80K to 120K, assuming a 20% tolerance.

If you have a mission critical application where the value of the pot must be 100K, within something ridiculous like 1%, there are two choices.

Increase manufacturing tolerances to achieve the 1%.

Or, have a bunch of poorly paid monkeys measure every pot that's made, and make a pile of 99.99K --> 100.99K pots, and toss the rest in the "generic, less cost" pile.

In electronics, that's typically what the word certification means, guarentee of value.

Picture an analog mixing console with 32 faders, with random values from 8K to 12K, with different degrees of linearity across the slider path, and tell me that wouldn't be very annoying if you had 32 faders of different random values :)
 
I mentioned airplanes simply because its a convienent, fairly obvious example.

As safe as plane travel is statistically, I'm sure everyone here would agree flying on a plane made of random, uncertified, undocumented, knock-off parts would be at a minimum a little worrysome :)
 
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