Mogami gold xlr Or Monster xlr Cable, Does it really matter?

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I just got into a little argument with a "successful" recording engineer that works for some record label that i forgot the name of.Im a rookie when it comes to recording and engineering.This "successful" engineer kept stressing how it doesnt matter what quality xlr cable you use for recording, She even said things like "dont waste your money on those expensive mic cables. if you want, i can show how to make your own cables!".Yes, she said it.

Now......Is it really true?, because i have some monster xlr cable and im about to make the upgrade to Mogami Gold.

Any help will be appreciated.
 
I think this one is going to get you the 1000 different opinions answer.

My opinion is, as long as the cables are soldered properly, and connections are good, you willl never know the difference. Especially with XLR and balanced cables. The idea of the "balanced" is something about cancelling out of phase or noise by using the third wire. Hocus pocus to me but it works and all my run of the mill cables are near silent.

The next thing you will be told is bad cables can't reproduce the full frequency response. Again, typical cable, relatively short runs, you will never know the difference.

My 2 cents worth!
 
I think this one is going to get you the 1000 different opinions answer.

My opinion is, as long as the cables are soldered properly, and connections are good, you willl never know the difference. Especially with XLR and balanced cables. The idea of the "balanced" is something about cancelling out of phase or noise by using the third wire. Hocus pocus to me but it works and all my run of the mill cables are near silent.

The next thing you will be told is bad cables can't reproduce the full frequency response. Again, typical cable, relatively short runs, you will never know the difference.

My 2 cents worth!
Agreed. As long as it's balanced, well shielded (like the outer braid on the wire is a nice thick weave), the soldering is good and the connectors are decent (and the lead is not unnecessarily long), you should be fine.

In my opinion, learning to make your own leads should be your priority over buying other fancy branded cables. A good, adjustable temp soldering iron probably costs less than an expensive cable these days!

That said I think guitar leads are a different matter, being unbalanced, I do think it's worth springing for a decent cable (once again as short as tolerable). Either way, making your own is the way to go.
 
yes. are you thinking that monster and mogami add some kind of magic to their cables?

No, i didnt believe that one magically makes everything sound better, i just believed that one had better sound quality than the other.
 
agreed. As long as it's balanced, well shielded (like the outer braid on the wire is a nice thick weave), the soldering is good and the connectors are decent (and the lead is not unnecessarily long), you should be fine.

In my opinion, learning to make your own leads should be your priority over buying other fancy branded cables. A good, adjustable temp soldering iron probably costs less than an expensive cable these days!

That said i think guitar leads are a different matter, being unbalanced, i do think it's worth springing for a decent cable (once again as short as tolerable). Either way, making your own is the way to go.

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thank you very much.
 
I just got into a little argument with a "successful" recording engineer that works for some record label that i forgot the name of.Im a rookie when it comes to recording and engineering.This "successful" engineer kept stressing how it doesnt matter what quality xlr cable you use for recording, She even said things like "dont waste your money on those expensive mic cables. if you want, i can show how to make your own cables!".Yes, she said it.

Now......Is it really true?, because i have some monster xlr cable and im about to make the upgrade to Mogami Gold.

Any help will be appreciated.

In my view, she is right.
 
based on what? experience or marketing? you've already spent way too much on their cables? :p

Well...I thought about it like this, I you have a 1080 HD TV and some cheap ass cables along with your HD blueray player, you will not get the most out of your HD television.You will need to get the HD cables to get the full shebang.

I guess i was just assuming, and i was wrong.

I didnt pay that much for the mogami gold xlr, I bought a 20 foot for $22, brand new!.I didnt pay the retail $50!...i might not know much about recording, but i will never pay the full retail price for things, they just charge too much.

I'll even provide the ebay link where i bought it from to prove it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200409900073&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
 
Well...I thought about it like this, I you have a 1080 HD TV and some cheap ass cables along with your HD blueray player, you will not get the most out of your HD television.You will need to get the HD cables to get the full shebang.
For the record, that's not really true either. A decent $20 HDMI cable is no worse than a $300 HDMI cable, assuming the bandwidth is equal. Yes, really really cheap cables have poor shielding and might be a problem in some environments but there's no reason to shell out big bucks for the AV equivalent of a USB cable. It's digital. The equipment makes the signal good or bad, the cable passes it and is error checked to boot.

But it's the same as everything - people who buy the more expensive item will believe it's better because they paid more for it. You DO get what you pay for, but in the case of cabling, you are usually paying for an awesome Marketing department.

For the record, $22 for a 20 foot XLR isn't too horrible a price anyway if you can't be bothered making them. Rock on.
 
i would say that craftsmanship is just as important then the material that's being used, atleast to a degree. I used monster cable for a long time in my car (high end audio) I would use a cable like Proco or Hosa, they both make good cables. Just 1 opinion out of millions.
 
In my experience, it makes a *huge* difference. About five grand in building out your studio. Oh, you meant a difference in the *sound*? Well, then, no. :D

But seriously, mic cables can affect the sound. Above mic level, you can generally assume there will be no discernible effect (ignoring the inappropriate use of unbalanced cables over long distances, of course). With microphone cables, because the voltages involved are so small, it's easy for a crappy cable to cause harm over a long enough distance. Excess capacitance can attenuate high frequencies, poor shielding can introduce hum, too small a cable gauge can lead to a voltage drop (causing extra noise caused by the additional gain), etc. Thus, you don't want to go too horribly cheap, particularly if we're talking about a long cable run (which I usually define as 100+ feet).

That having been said, Monster cables are pretty much good for one thing: padding estimates so that you look better when you come in 20% under budget. :D

I think this thread sums it up nicely.
 
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I've only skimmed the thread, but this is how I see it, for my two-penneth worth:

When I hung out on hi-fi forums, I noticed there was always a lot of debate as to whether better cabling = better sound. The one side were saying that the cabling is the weak link in the chain, while the other side insisted cabling was subject to 'voodoo' - in the sense that manufacturers' hype might make the gullible listener think he was hearing a difference, when he spent his money. One person attempted to support this with evidence he believed he'd gained from voltage tests on various qualities of cable... Some experiment set up to monitor the signal dynamics. He claimed that if his instruments could not tell the difference, neither could you!

Well, this caused an uproar because it was seen as very rude to stamp all over another person's private listening experience... However, the point made in cabling's defence put forward the idea, that we listen with more than just our ears. That instrumentation is not a pair of ears - nor is it connected directly to a human signal processor (ie: your brain!).

Now what you have to realise is, is that if approaching this from a purely empirical standpoint, the burden of proof is upon you, to prove it by evidential means. In other words, if you want to know the ''truth', you have to go by the findings and not by anecdotal evidence.

This is one of the key, fundamental problems which exist between evidence and belief - and even then, science still demands of us a little faith...

So what do I believe? Well, I'm of the opinion that cabling matters. Why? Because I do not measure the precise signal strength coming down a cable - I hook up a system and enjoy it. If I swap cables, (even within the high quality range) I hear a difference. It's very subtle - and yet - I can hear even more difference, if I downgrade to a shite one.

If people want to call it 'marketing voodoo' then let them... Basically, if you spend more time looking at quivering needles and dancing oscilloscopes than you do listening to music - that's exactly how your mind will interpet this debate. Music has soul and cabling is the weak link between the boxes that are designed to bring that out. Make that link strong and you can't go wrong.

But now we're talking about sound engineering - not domestic hi-fi, so this is what I think:

I believe that cabling for sound engineering purposes will naturally be of a higher standard, across the board, than that of domestic hi-fi cabling, whose quality can vary greatly between brands. In other words: You don't often find manufacturers of low-grade electronics offering XLR cables, do you? No, you tend to find that the more specialist companies make them. So, she could be right - athough you really must build up your personal preferences, not on conventional wisdom alone - and certainly not on manufacturers' hype - but on experience.

So the bottom line is: No. I don't think you'll find that much of a startling difference, in the professional ranges. Just don't quote me on this, because I have not tried all the different ones.

For what it's worth, I think it's an excellent idea to make up your own cables - provided you use quality materials and construct them correctly. Though, perhaps, until you have this down to an exact science, you might be better off buying off companies who already do.

One thing I'd like to add though. I was once informed that gold is not the best material for making connections. Someone with a lot of experience told me that he would prefer nickel-silver (or was it copper?) anyday because of it's superior electrical qualities. So I think that, presuming 'Gold Range' means gold-plated connectors, it might well be just the inclusion of a precious metal in the product to make it stand out.

But at least they will not corrode. Despite what I've just said, I own loads of gold-tipped cables and some of my gear has gold-plated RCA outs and I enjoy listening to these units very much, so...

I'm not sure if this answers your question, exactly - but that's just my personal take on the subject - and I'm not that experienced in sound engineering.

Regards

Dr. V
 
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i've only skimmed the thread, but this is how i see it, for my two-penneth worth:

When i hung out on hi-fi forums, i noticed there was always a lot of debate as to whether better cabling = better sound. The one side were saying that the cabling is the weak link in the chain, while the other side insisted cabling was subject to 'voodoo' - in the sense that manufacturers' hype might make the gullible listener think he was hearing a difference, when he spent his money. One person attempted to support this with evidence he believed he'd gained from voltage tests on various qualities of cable... Some experiment set up to monitor the signal dynamics. He claimed that if his instruments could not tell the difference, neither could you!

Well, this caused an uproar because it was seen as very rude to stamp all over another person's private listening experience... However, the point made in cabling's defence put forward the idea, that we listen with more than just our ears. That instrumentation is not a pair of ears - nor is it connected directly to a human signal processor (ie: Your brain!).

Now what you have to realise is, is that if approaching this from a purely empirical standpoint, the burden of proof is upon you, to prove it by evidential means. In other words, if you want to know the ''truth', you have to go by the findings and not by anecdotal evidence.

This is one of the key, fundamental problems which exist between evidence and belief - and even then, science still demands of us a little faith...

So what do i believe? Well, i'm of the opinion that cabling matters. Why? Because i do not measure the precise signal strength coming down a cable - i hook up a system and enjoy it. If i swap cables, (even within the high quality range) i hear a difference. It's very subtle - and yet - i can hear even more difference, if i downgrade to a shite one.

If people want to call it 'marketing voodoo' then let them... Basically, if you spend more time looking at quivering needles and dancing oscilloscopes than you do listening to music - that's exactly how your mind will interpet this debate. Music has soul and cabling is the weak link between the boxes that are designed to bring that out. Make that link strong and you can't go wrong.

But now we're talking about sound engineering - not domestic hi-fi, so this is what i think:

I believe that cabling for sound engineering purposes will naturally be of a higher standard, across the board, than that of domestic hi-fi cabling, whose quality can vary greatly between brands. In other words: You don't often find manufacturers of low-grade electronics offering xlr cables, do you? No, you tend to find that the more specialist companies make them. So, she could be right - athough you really must build up your personal preferences, not on conventional wisdom alone - and certainly not on manufacturers' hype - but on experience.

So the bottom line is: No. I don't think you'll find that much of a startling difference, in the professional ranges. Just don't quote me on this, because i have not tried all the different ones.

For what it's worth, i think it's an excellent idea to make up your own cables - provided you use quality materials and construct them correctly. Though, perhaps, until you have this down to an exact science, you might be better off buying off companies who already do.

One thing i'd like to add though. I was once informed that gold is not the best material for making connections. Someone with a lot of experience told me that he would prefer nickel-silver (or was it copper?) anyday because of it's superior electrical qualities. So i think that, presuming 'gold range' means gold-plated connectors, it might well be just the inclusion of a precious metal in the product to make it stand out.

But at least they will not corrode. Despite what i've just said, i own loads of gold-tipped cables and some of my gear has gold-plated rca outs and i enjoy listening to these units very much, so...

I'm not sure if this answers your question, exactly - but that's just my personal take on the subject - and i'm not that experienced in sound engineering.

Regards

dr. V

thanks!........
 
I ran a stereo sample out of my daw back into my converters and recorded the result on a new track using 2 x $50 TRS Mogami patch cables out and a $30 mogami S/PDIF back in.
I then did the same thing with a bunch of Hosa cables that cost me $25 for all three cables.

I inverted the phase of the Hosa recorded track and played back the result. The two tracks nulled to within 0.09 db and that could just be random variance in the trip out and back in through the conversion IMO

My personal opinion based on this, don't waste money on the brand name (especially monster who's business practices are seen by many as unethical). Good enough is good enough, once you get to the point where the cables are shielded and properly soldered there is no noticable difference.

The extra $105 I spent on Mogami should have been put to much better use elsewhere. Mogami, I WANT MY MONEY BACK
 
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I've only skimmed the thread, but this is how I see it, for my two-penneth worth:

When I hung out on hi-fi forums, I noticed there was always a lot of debate as to whether better cabling = better sound. The one side were saying that the cabling is the weak link in the chain, while the other side insisted cabling was subject to 'voodoo' - in the sense that manufacturers' hype might make the gullible listener think he was hearing a difference, when he spent his money. One person attempted to support this with evidence he believed he'd gained from voltage tests on various qualities of cable... Some experiment set up to monitor the signal dynamics. He claimed that if his instruments could not tell the difference, neither could you!

Well, this caused an uproar because it was seen as very rude to stamp all over another person's private listening experience... However, the point made in cabling's defence put forward the idea, that we listen with more than just our ears. That instrumentation is not a pair of ears - nor is it connected directly to a human signal processor (ie: your brain!).

Now what you have to realise is, is that if approaching this from a purely empirical standpoint, the burden of proof is upon you, to prove it by evidential means. In other words, if you want to know the ''truth', you have to go by the findings and not by anecdotal evidence.

This is one of the key, fundamental problems which exist between evidence and belief - and even then, science still demands of us a little faith...

So what do I believe? Well, I'm of the opinion that cabling matters. Why? Because I do not measure the precise signal strength coming down a cable - I hook up a system and enjoy it. If I swap cables, (even within the high quality range) I hear a difference. It's very subtle - and yet - I can hear even more difference, if I downgrade to a shite one.

If people want to call it 'marketing voodoo' then let them... Basically, if you spend more time looking at quivering needles and dancing oscilloscopes than you do listening to music - that's exactly how your mind will interpet this debate. Music has soul and cabling is the weak link between the boxes that are designed to bring that out. Make that link strong and you can't go wrong.

But now we're talking about sound engineering - not domestic hi-fi, so this is what I think:

I believe that cabling for sound engineering purposes will naturally be of a higher standard, across the board, than that of domestic hi-fi cabling, whose quality can vary greatly between brands. In other words: You don't often find manufacturers of low-grade electronics offering XLR cables, do you? No, you tend to find that the more specialist companies make them. So, she could be right - athough you really must build up your personal preferences, not on conventional wisdom alone - and certainly not on manufacturers' hype - but on experience.

So the bottom line is: No. I don't think you'll find that much of a startling difference, in the professional ranges. Just don't quote me on this, because I have not tried all the different ones.

For what it's worth, I think it's an excellent idea to make up your own cables - provided you use quality materials and construct them correctly. Though, perhaps, until you have this down to an exact science, you might be better off buying off companies who already do.

One thing I'd like to add though. I was once informed that gold is not the best material for making connections. Someone with a lot of experience told me that he would prefer nickel-silver (or was it copper?) anyday because of it's superior electrical qualities. So I think that, presuming 'Gold Range' means gold-plated connectors, it might well be just the inclusion of a precious metal in the product to make it stand out.

But at least they will not corrode. Despite what I've just said, I own loads of gold-tipped cables and some of my gear has gold-plated RCA outs and I enjoy listening to these units very much, so...

I'm not sure if this answers your question, exactly - but that's just my personal take on the subject - and I'm not that experienced in sound engineering.

Regards

Dr. V

Any properly built, decent cable is the strongest link between devices for a number of reasons.

Monster type cable has bogus theory behind it and is very overpriced.

I guarantee you would not be able to hear any difference between cables if you had no idea as to which cable you were listening to.

And lastly, I hooked up two different amplifiers and wired the output so that the same amp was always on. My audiofile bubby picked amplifier "A" as the hi fi and best sounding amp of the two. He was stunned when I showed him that he was listening to the same amp on switch "A" and "B".

So, enjoy your cable experience if that is what you love. I would rather save money and buy decent cable for 5 times less.
 
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