Mixing gone wrong

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If you are going line-out of the BOSS into line-in of your soundcard, you are going digital->analog->digital. If that is the case:

1) it won't matter what sampling rate / bit depth you're using on the BOSS because it's going to analog when it leaves the BOSS
2) if the D/A converter on the BOSS or the A/D converter on your soundcard (Is it a sound blaster?) is crap, then it will sound like crap

If you have a way to go digital to the PC, I would recommend that. Even if you have to invest in a solution, you're killing your sound to go through two sets of (cheap) converters.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
If you listen to the headbangers on this board, you'll want to squish the crap out of the dynamics by throwing your mix against a hard limiter plug (an extreme form of compression) to bring you mix to ear-bleedling levels..

Hell no. I work so hard on my metal mixes (mainly because I suck...or something) I ain't about to fuck them up by limiting the shit out of 'em. I give it a tiny bit of a boost, but if I'm going to do a 'percieved volume comparison' to see if its 'loud enough' then I'll compare it to something from like 20 years ago. I mean, those are the records I love anyway. I've never had a problem using the volume control on my hifi. Especially with todays technology of spangly remote control-ma-jiggys. :D

I like to listen to music. Study it. Analyse it. Take in all the tones and different sounds. You can't do that so clearly when they ran it through a limiter....

Don't do it. Its satan in disguise....which fits in with the whole stereotypical metal thing I suppose......

Pardon my irrelevance. Carry on.... :) .....
 
legionserial said:
Hell no. I work so hard on my metal mixes (mainly because I suck...or something) I ain't about to fuck them up by limiting the shit out of 'em.
Ahhhh, that's why I like you, legion. Even if you do come an RCH away from quoting me out of context in your sig line (;)), you have a head on your shoulders, ears on your head, and brains inside, and you use them all. :)

Man, does it sound good to hear a metallurgist who isn't all about RMS. Thank you! :)

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Ahhhh, that's why I like you, legion. Even if you do come an RCH away from quoting me out of context in your sig line (;)), you have a head on your shoulders, ears on your head, and brains inside, and you use them all. :)

Man, does it sound good to hear a metallurgist who isn't all about RMS. Thank you! :)

G.

I understand the context of the quote in my signature, even if no one else does. :) I just ommitted the bit about how it had nothing to do with audio engineering...

It wasn't long ago I knew nothing about recording music. (just over a year ago I think?)I knew how to work a guitar, an amp, and a computer. All to a fairly reasonable level I guess. And ironicly if I wasn't googling why my mixes weren't loud enough, I would have never have stumbled onto somewhere where people would be handing down knowledge for free. :) (The result being that I learned what a limiter was, downloaded one, smashed the crap out of one of my tunes, and hated the sound of it.) I made some pretty fucking stupid posts when I first found this site, but eventually I learned stuff...

As far as my anti smashing-the crap-out-your-music stance goes...

See, ever since I was little I have this fixation on the guitar, and how it sounds, so I listened to music intently. I started hearing all the other sounds, and became fixated on them too. There were times when I would tell people in the room to "shut the hell up and listen to this". People talking when I'm listening to good music annoys the crap out of me. Its not background music to me. It more like reading a book. I want to concentrate....

Dynamics have always been something that fascinated me. A classical piece that would meander along quietly, and then suddenly jolt you with a loud burst. I liked Nirvana a lot in my early teens because of their use of dynamics. To have something going quietly and suddenly burst out with rage, like the calm before the storm. I'm sure had their stuff ran through a brickwall to some degree. But it was more tolerable when they weren't completely killing the tune.

Its only been in the last few years I have noticed the way you'd have, say, a heavily distorted powerful guitar riff with the drums booming away, and suddenly it would go into the quiet calm bit. But it was like "wait, everything is still the same volume. It doesn't make any sense". It just sounded fucked up to me. Like, I can deal with the heavy bits being pummelled into my brain. Thats what they are for. But the "quiet" bits, the change in timbre I guess. They aren't meant to do that. Its sposed to be, like....exhaling, I guess, after an intense moment. A release. It just doesn't seem to happen anymore.

I don't see the point in trying to make and record all these sounds if you are just going to mush them up afterwards. I got pissed off the other day because I was listening to a CD, and I noticed forthe first time how when the tune kicked in, it almost felt like my speakers were fucked. I actually checked my whole setup to make sure something wasn't turned up stupidly loud somewhere. I'm going to notice that every time I listen to it now. I just don't see the point in it. If everything was at a lower perceptive volume, then people wouldn't need to do it.

Anyway at the risk of writing a whole book (and hijacking the thread), I'll shut up now. I could talk about music forever....
 
Don't many of these digital recorders have USB connections or removable flash media that you can connect to your computer. That's the best possible route to go.
 
legionserial said:
It wasn't long ago....
Damnit, I'd give you points for that great post if I could and I didn't just give you them for the previous post instead.

Someone give this man some points for back-to-back dingers.

G.
 
dirtythermos said:
If you are going line-out of the BOSS into line-in of your soundcard, you are going digital->analog->digital. If that is the case:

1) it won't matter what sampling rate / bit depth you're using on the BOSS because it's going to analog when it leaves the BOSS

That's an excellent point, I was so intent on forging ahead with the problem and stuck in the world of USB/FW interfaces, that even though I was helping him out with the analog connection, and realized that, it's like I stepped over the big picture. Since that wasn't his issue anyway, I guess I missed it, but thanks for pointing that detail out. It's a good distinction to make. It seems it was just an overgaining issue and his was clipping on the loud parts.
 
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