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The information above is good, so far as I can tell.

The "big names" (big in the sense of selling a lot of product in this particular niche) in the new compact home-recordist mixer game are pretty much the ones identified above. Yamaha is another name. I don't know a ton about their product line. In lower-end / lower-priced stuff there is also Nady, Phonic (as mentioned) and Carvin.

I myself have an A&H 20:8:2 and like it. A&H sometimes gets overlooked. Their "home recording" products seem to be in a sort of narrow range price-wise: sort of in the vicinity of the higher Mackies (say Mackie 1604 and up).

Tascam is a big name in used mixers that now run in the same price range. Ramsa is another one. Generally, these would have been originally aimed at the small "pro" (or "project") studios. There are definitely some good deals to be had here, particularly if you want something that looks bigger and more impressive than a 19" rack-sized mixer.

Alesis is sort of an odd case. I don't have one -- so take this with a grain of salt -- but my impression is that the Studio 24 and 32 are pretty good value for the money.

The Alesis name has suffered a bit; particularly in mixers. Historically, they brought out a few very bad mixer products (the 1622 is one I'm slightly familar with; I understand there was an earlier one, which had the particularly disadvantage of being crummy and not cheap). This gave them a bad name in mixers in particular, even though their current products may well be fine.

Also, I think the Alesis name gets a somewhat unfair bad mark because of the ADAT. The problem isn't that the ADAT was a bad product. In a sense, the problem is that it was a good product, or at least a very successful one. They were all over the place, and people started thinking (or even saying) things like, "Hey, my three ADATs are just as good as America's finest 2" 24-track studio ... shoot, on second thought they're better!" This led to an "Alesis sucks!" backlash. Sure, if you compare Alesis to Studer, they do suck. But if you compare them to low-end (or middle-end) products aimed at a lower part of the market, they're okay for what they are. If you take the "Alesis sucks" contingent literally, you might start to think Alesis is worse than, say, Phonic. The only reason the "Alesis sucks" contingent doesn't say worse things about Phonic is they've never even heard of it.

Well, that's my impression. And I don't have (and have never had) an ADAT either.
 
Re: behringer

bdbdbuck said:
... The way these guys talk, you'd think the behringer emits some sort of sonic hiss...

So far as I can tell, every mixer emits some sort of sonic hiss. Put on your headphones and turn up the gain on everything to the max. If you don't hear some hiss, your headphones are broken, or you're deaf above 2kHz.
 
Tascam is a big name in used mixers that now run in the same price range. Ramsa is another one. Generally, these would have been originally aimed at the small "pro" (or "project") studios. There are definitely some good deals to be had here, particularly if you want something that looks bigger and more impressive than a 19" rack-sized mixer.

Sometimes bigger is better. At least to the eye. :D
 
Jimmy, what are you gonna do man? We haven't heard from you in three days going on four. What's up with your mixer choice?
 
ug.... No idea yet. BUT:

Well, there's a few I'm considering...
I buy most of my stuff ebay-style, because I am a final year grad student, and my wife makes all the moolah at this time...

*beaten down man-pride showing through here...*

I'm looking at the Alesis 32:
It would be awesome to have that much control right now, especially since I have a drummer with an extensive kit.

I'm looking at the Mackie SR24-4...
This is also one of those "MAN would THAT be nice!"

The Mackie CFX-16, the Behringer MX2442A, and the Soundcraft Spirit SX-20 are also major contenders in the game. I am really hoping to get something with good preamps and at LEAST 12 xlr-ins at this time. THAT's what I need, and that's what I'm hoping to get.

You know, you guys are just freakin awesome.
You DO know how to make a new guy at home recording feel comfortable, and I appreciate it. I'm a lighting designer, and the difference between a lighting console (like the Whole Hog II) and a sound console are like the difference between arabic and english!
 
Good luck with whatever you go with. Here is what the TASCAM consoles sold for that I listed from E-bay.

TASCAM M-1600... RELISTED at $475

TASCAM M-320.....$415

TASCAM M-2524...$750 (That was a steal. It was around $4K new)

TASCAM M-2600...$1125 (Another great buy)

TASCAM M-3700...One low-ball bid. Reserve not met. No relist yet.

TASCAM M-1508...Still active, but I realize from your post that it's too small for your purpose.
 
sennheiser...
are you a tascam user? are they reliable enough to go into my computer (through my Echo Mia) and do digital recording?

PLEASE REMEMBER I ask these questions out of IGNORANCE to the material and not of sarcasm...

Jimmy, the Thesis Writing Monkey
 
I use the M-1516. It's a four-buss and little brother to the M-1600 eight buss. I have never had any problem with my TASCAM. The pots are sealed, I've never heard so much as a pop or scratch from any pot or fader. It's fairly rugged, though not as bullet proof as say a Mackie. It doesn't have to be though. It's not a live console and not considered a portable. It is a dedicated recording console just like all the others that were mentioned that generally stays in one spot during it's use.

Mine is mounted on a five caster roll-around stand so I can wheel it around to different spots in the studio depending upon what instrument I'm recording at the time. I'm a one-man operation so mobility is important. Don't try this with a console much larger than this. It will get pretty unwieldy with all of the cable snakes plugged in and the size of the board.

I don't do any "real" digital recording except to dump a stereo mix into MusicMatch Jukebox for upload to NoWhereRadio.com. If anything, I've noticed that the mix looses something after it's in the computer, and it's coming direct off of the eight track through the console. I think any of the larger TASCAM consoles would work well for you. Even mine may be too small from what you describe though. It has 16 XLR inputs, but inserts are only on the first eight channels. It has direct outs that double as buss outs and that eliminates re-patching. Three sends, two stereo returns and two mono. Pre- and post- on the sends. It really is about all the console that I need at this point. Buss assignment and direct assignment, three band EQ with semi-para on the mids. Channels also double as tape returns at the push of a button. This means you're not sucking up eight more channels as tape returns as on the smaller Mackie designs that have no dedicated tape returns.

Many of the TASCAM consoles work the same way. The larger ones have more features and routing options. They are very intuitive to use and easy to operate.
 
oh my GOD

Sennheiser,
I just checked out the TASCAM 1600...
THAT's a BAD ASS Console!

I am now considering getting one of those, if I can find one under 400 bucks...

It's gonna be either a TASCAM 1600, or an Alesis 32 at this point...

Oh, Senn... My family lives in Peoria, IL... Not far from you!
 
Sunn SPL-2216

I just bought a Sunn SPL-2216 16 channel mixer off ebay for $150.

Have y'all ever heard one of these? I know they're old, but how do they compare to new stuff noise and headroom wise?

Thanks,
Justin
 
Re: oh my GOD

jimmy_LD said:
Sennheiser,
I just checked out the TASCAM 1600...
THAT's a BAD ASS Console!

I am now considering getting one of those, if I can find one under 400 bucks...

It's gonna be either a TASCAM 1600, or an Alesis 32 at this point...

Oh, Senn... My family lives in Peoria, IL... Not far from you!

Finding one under $400 will be a stretch, but you might get lucky. There is a 2524 and a 3500 at "Buy it Now" for $1200. The M-3500 is a steal at $1200. Comes with a meter bridge too. The meter bridge alone was about that new.

I'm about 125 miles south-southwest of Peoria. It's not far.
 
" just bought a Sunn SPL-2216 16 channel mixer off ebay for $150.

Have y'all ever heard one of these? I know they're old, but how do they compare to new stuff noise and headroom wise?
"

kickass!!!

noise wise they wont compete, and at first look distrotion wise they wont either...but using the EAR meter instead of a manmade one, youll notice the nice nice nice way those things distort, and the really REALLY nice bnottom end they can make...those things are missing toins of features that youll probably need, but they certainly have a sound worthy of putting up with it..but you cant think of it as a recording console, you gotta think of it as a music instrument in its own right or you will just be angry and frustrated with it
 
SENN!

Hey Sennheiser, do you have a studio?
What do you charge?

Got a website???
 
Yes, but it's just for my own use or for friends who may want to do something. Sometimes I get a little word of mouth business, but not very often. Not many want to drive this far from St. Louis to record out in the middle of nowhere. I had more busines when I was running 4-track cassette in the city.

The going rate is you buy the tape and the beer.

Got a website???
Yeah, but it doesn't have anything remotely to do with recording.The Unofficial Walther Homepage
 
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