Mixer woes...

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I'm using my mixer to go to my Audiophile soundcard. I'm using the tape-outs to the line ins and the line out to the Tape ins, then i have to press in the taketo mix button to get sound. Doing this works fine. All im doing with it is using a mic..1 channel. So do i put channel gain to full...then adjust the trim till i get a good level..or..do i set channel gain to middle(0) then adjust the trim more in the 3/4 range? Bit confused here? Also..is the headphones jack in a mixer amplified? As in..i have it up full, otherwise i cant hear what the actual level of the mic is..is that right? Or am i just boosting the level past what it is?

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Brett,

Set the fader to "0" (unity gain), and then adjust the gain pot as necessary.

I don't know what mixer you have or it's h/phone amping facilities, but in most I have encountered, the phones signal is taken off the main outs, usually with it's own volume control. So the phones' volume may be initially controlled by the master faders then adjust the phones control to taste.

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I am guessing here, but it sounds like you are using a Behringer mixer, if that is the case, don't use the Tape out and Tape ins, but instead record from teh Aux out to the 2496 "in", and the 2496 "out" to one of the stereo pairs on the mixer. Set the fader on the channel you are recording from to unity as mentioned above, bring up the "gain" pot as high as it will go sub-clipping, and then raise the "aux send" level on the recording channel as high as you can without clipping in your recording software. Be sure that the outs from the soundcard are not sending on teh Aux send too (ie set that Aux send level to 0). Then you can monitor the exact sound you are recording, and hear what you have done, and set the levels by raising or lowering the return from teh soundcard to get the desired balance. I have found this to be the most versatile method of getting the best gain staging possible out of the mixer, because you can't set the level of the Tape send independently from the mains, and sometimes you will be blowing your ears off to get the right level, or worse, it will be too quiet.
 
The mixer im using is an Alto..very similar to a Beringher i hear.
Ok, now i do have an aux send..just mono though..use that? I dont have a volume control for that though. Ok then go from the outs of the soundcard to the stereo line ins on the mixer and use them to monitor..so set the volume of that to what is enough.

Dont quite get what your saying here -
"Be sure that the outs from the soundcard are not sending on teh Aux send too (ie set that Aux send level to 0)."

Where do i set that..in cakewalk or in the monitor mixer?

SOrry i'm a bit daft..just getting confused with all the ways to do this!
 
I would have to see an Alto to be sure of an answer here.

The Aux send control on each channel is essentially a volume pot in that it controls how much of the channel signal (level) is being sent to the Aux Output. Usually this is used to send to outboard effects, etc., and you can either return through the Aux Return OR through the Line In of a spare channel, which lets you control the returning signal with the fader........BUT if you are doing this DON'T turn up the Aux control pot on that return channel.

If the mixer has master outputs, why not use those to send to the soundcard and route the return signal from the PC into a pair of spare channels.......one for LH and one for RH. This gives you EQ and fader control.

Again without seeing the specific mixer and it's in/out facilities, it is a bit hard to give accurate advice.

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I need to get some rca to 6.5 converters and i'll give it a try. The main problem is that i need to monitor while im recording using headphones...this is where the trouble lies. The ways i've tried so far mean that after the first track..whatever i record, records the first track as well..no doubt because i'm listening to the sound through the mixer then its getting sent back the soundcard to record. Hmmm
 
I have given a more detailed answer to this in the Cakewalk forum. The reasons for not using the main outs to record from are the looping problem you have already discovered: everything coming into the mixer is going out the mains, so you will record everything that you are hearing.

The Aux send volume, as mentioned above, is controlled by the "fx send" or "aux send" knob on each channel. That is why for the one you are recording, you need to raise this level and watch in your SONAR track recording meter to make sure you don't clip: this is where you control the level you are recording (the Aux send level). That is why, in the monitoring channel, you need to be sure that the Aux send level is at 0, or you will record that too.

The reason that using the Aux send will not cause the looping, is you can control for each channel in the mixer how much is being sent out the Aux Out: so you have full control over what you are recording and the level that is being sent.

Proper gain staging is important to make sure you record the best level possible. First off, make sure the eq for the channel you are recording from is level, the aux send is off (all the way counter clockwise). Now, for the channel you are recording, lets say channel 1, set the fader to 0 (ie LEVEL at 0, not OFF), also known as "unity": this should be in the middle of the dial (not all the way counterclockwise). Then, raise the GAIN pot, or it might be labelled TRIM, while you are playing what you intend to record. Each channel should have a light associated with it that will go red if you are clipping, if this happens, turn it down until you DO NOT CLIP AT ALL. Once you have done this, the channel is "gain staged", if you adjust the EQ on the channel, you will have to re-gainstage it, as you have affected the levels of different bands in the EQ.

Now that it is gain staged, you can set the record level for SONAR. Now I am talking about your track view in sonar: Arm a track for recording, and right click in the record meter for that track: set the meter for 24 or 12 dB to increase your resolution: I use 24 usually. Now, as you play, raise the AUx send level of channel one on the ALTO mixer until you see it appearing on the record meter of the track you are recording in sonar. Keep raising it as high as it will go without any clipping (going into the red is fine, but you don't want the red light at the far right of the record meter to light up: if it does you have clipped).

Now you have the best signal level you can get for recording in SONAR.

Now, the outs from the 2496 card, lets say they go into Channel 5/6 or some other stereo input channel. Set the fader (LEVEL) to unity, and keep the Trim pot and Aux send off (all the way counterclockwise). What you will hear in your monitoring is the input from Channel 1 coming direct through the board (ie not through all the SONAR effects or whatever else you have inserted into the FX slot of the sonar track) and the already recorded stuff in SONAR in channel 5/6. If the blend of these levels is not right, adjust using the channel 5/6 fader, not the channel 1 fader (this would affect the signal level you are recording, unless the Aux send on that board is "pre-fader", mine is "post fader" so it is sensitive to changes in the fader level).

IF the overall signal level is too high in your headphones, adjust using the headphone volume control, not the main faders.

Downside is you are recording in MONO not stereo, but the only way around that is to have (like I said in the Cakewalk forum) is to have either a mixer with two or more aux sends, or two mixers, one for recording from and inputting to the card, and one for monitoring.
 
I cant thank you enough for being so thorough! I have definately got my head around it now. If you lived near me i'd buy ya a beer!...thanks heaps
 
Good to see someone able to help you Brett. I was flying blind as my setup is somewhat different, even though it is a home studio. I run a S/craft 24 chnl mixer to a dedicated 16 track h/disk recorder. The PC is only used to take final mixdowns.

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Nice. I've been doing home recording for over a year but this is the first time i've used a mixer and a card that can do 24/96 so it all blew over my head. Now i can let the good times begin!Though i have to go out and buy a lead that has one 6.5(to go in the aux sends) to 2 rca(for the soundcard).
 
check my reply in the Cakewalk forum, as I have actually figured out another way of routing to restore the stereo capability: it takes some mastering of the AP2496 Mixer window, but this question has been on more than one board lately, and it got me rethinking how I am routing my ins/outs, and I was able to figure out a better way. If you hadn't been posting this , I doubt I would have been inspired to reexamine my signal path, and now that I have done so, I can finally record my acoustic with two mics at the same time to improve the tone massively.
 
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