Mixer for Delta 1010lt Audio interface

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Hi guys,

This may seem like a weird question but i have picked a few ppls brains about it and have come up with nothing.

I currently have a M-Audio Delta 1010LT PCI audio interface in my desktop PC. At this point I am looking for some type of mixer that i am able record with my 1010LT. I need a mixer with 10 channels in and also 10 channels out so there for i can control the levels and EQ of each channel goin into my audio interface. This is prodminatley goin to be use for this purpose of recording drums.

Im not even sure that you can have the Delta 1010LT record 10 separate tracks in cubase at the same time?

Anyway if someone could shead some light on this subject i would appreciate it muchly

TA

awx
 
you should be able to in cubase. What price range are you looking at?
 
I'm not sure on price. Just weighing up whether it is worth stickin with the 1010lt or just chucking it in and getting something like a projectmix i/o.

Its whether it is cost effective or not.
 
awx said:
I'm not sure on price. Just weighing up whether it is worth stickin with the 1010lt or just chucking it in and getting something like a projectmix i/o.

Its whether it is cost effective or not.



Well if you decide to chuck it, chuck it my way!

it hard to advise without knowing your price range. I mean, you could go with a Mackie or Behri if you are looking budget. Then run direct from the inserts. Yamaha makes some nice inexpensive stuff too.
 
But if i run straight from those inserts...... is the EQ applied before the inserts or after?
 
awx said:
But if i run straight from those inserts...... is the EQ applied before the inserts or after?


no, it will be the dry sound. But it is not ideal to EQ while recording (IMO) anyway. Record it and then go back and adjust EQ and what not. That way you are not kicking youself later for tracking something with the frequencies all jacked up.
 
So just run each channel back out through the mixer and adjust the eq that way?
 
awx said:
So just run each channel back out through the mixer and adjust the eq that way?


basically each channel would be mic>mixer>1010lt via insert
when you plug into the insert make sure you don't plug in all of the way. just got to the first click. Then once you have tracked it, if you need to EQ, do it in the program you record with.
 
So do you think it would just be better if i got a patchbay for the 1010lt and then get some type of midi controller to control my mix and eq with in cubase?

I really just want it setup so it will be ok for recording of drums..... if i can get away with just having a midi controller to control levels and eq within cubase i will just go with that...... i always thought it is best to mix and eq drums before recording into cubase.

If i can get away with just a controler and run the channels back out thru the mixer and eq that way or in cubase i will just do it that way.


Thanx for the advice Thunder33 you have been a great help
 
I am not sure where the patchbay would come into play there. What I do is just mic it up and send it through the pre's of the mixer like I posted earlier. Then I mix it all ITB (in the box) on Cakewalk (or Cubase) and if I need to EQ it, I pull up a track EQ and adjust there. I hope that answers your question. If not, state it so a goober like me can understand and I will try again. ;)




awx said:
So do you think it would just be better if i got a patchbay for the 1010lt and then get some type of midi controller to control my mix and eq with in cubase?

I really just want it setup so it will be ok for recording of drums..... if i can get away with just having a midi controller to control levels and eq within cubase i will just go with that...... i always thought it is best to mix and eq drums before recording into cubase.

If i can get away with just a controler and run the channels back out thru the mixer and eq that way or in cubase i will just do it that way.


Thanx for the advice Thunder33 you have been a great help
 
I think i would just use the patch bay to tidy stuff up a bit.... all those rca cables running out of the back of the PC just look like a mess that is all. That way i can just plug straight into the patchbay and record.
 
awx said:
I think i would just use the patch bay to tidy stuff up a bit.... all those rca cables running out of the back of the PC just look like a mess that is all. That way i can just plug straight into the patchbay and record.

oh, yeah.

I just shove them behind the desk.
 
- If you don't use a mixer you are going to need a preamp for every mic input (except for 2), and if you have condensers you will need phantom power.
- The 1010LT only has 8 analog inputs (6 RCA, 2 XLR), plus one SPDIF, and one MIDI, so you only need 8 channels of preamp.

I am using a 1010LT into a 16 channel mixer, mic in through each channels' XLR input, signal goes out via the send/receive 1/4" output (it would be ideal to find a mixer with a direct out for each channel) to an RCA input on the 1010 via an RCA>1/4" recording snake. The only control you have on that channel is the gain.
 
I use a 1010 for recording drums with a Mackie 1640vlz. It has 8 direct outs (channels 1-8) which I send into the 1010, and then go out of the 1010 into channels 9-16 for monitoring. I've used this setup for several years and it works ok. I can give you links to what I've recorded with it if you want.
 
Links? I'd like to hear. Are you using a 1010 or 1010LT?
 
jazon said:
I use a 1010 for recording drums with a Mackie 1640vlz. It has 8 direct outs (channels 1-8) which I send into the 1010, and then go out of the 1010 into channels 9-16 for monitoring. I've used this setup for several years and it works ok. I can give you links to what I've recorded with it if you want.


Thanks for that info jazon that is just what i was lookin for
So judging from this pic of the 1620 http://www.mackie.com/home/showimage.html?u=/products/onyx1620/images/1620_rear.jpg I asume that they have some type of break out cable from the bottom right. Are these outputs post or pre eq?

Thanks again
awx
 
so i have a ub-2222fxpro and it has inserts, and if i use the 1 click method.. it will be pre-fader and pre-eq right ?? where in when they mean fader, the volume fader right ??

so when i record my drums, i woudnt care if it would clip or not ?? since its pre-fader ?
 
Awx and Fweyd....
First off in any major recording(on the radio per say)the mixers are kick ass. Were talkin $10,000 at the least and 1Mil at the high. Your mixer should be kick ass if your recording. Now your can get away with a lot of shit digitaly, but Behringer is the absolute worst of mixers/specially with the 1010lt. Don't even wast your money. Save a few hundred more and go with a Mackie 10 in 10 out mixer or Tascam. It's still not $10,000 but it will get the job done with proper Pre's. Low budget(and this is the absolute low for decent indi radio quality) your lookin at spending $800 on ebay or $1200 in-store! Next is mics, shit-tons of different mics for different instruments. Drums-you can get away with the shure package$500 not the 57 one, they sound like shit! On Kick always mic at 30degree angle pointed down and to the left(if outer hole is on right front). This will get the Boom of the kick as well as some of the Thwack, without picking up the pedel movements(say if you point the mic directly at the skin). For the snare I use Sehnneiser mdk421(outside rim stationed). Awesome shit! Even without lets say Focusrite Red preamp, it still sounds awesome(but only if you have a good mixer, or decent one_$800). Next mic the toms(you can use that combo mic pack from shure-yes it works, but you get better tones, sound, overtones through the mdk421.) But its expensive, a way to cut around that is using the shure combo kit(not the 57 one) and adding a 8 channel strip, like the Focusrite Octopre dynamic mk2! This will boost all the drums, and you'll be able to compress/noise-gate each drum per channel! IMPORTANT! Then you'll want 2 omni-directional overhead condensors-included with sure combo pack(not 57 pack). But you can upgrad from this shure pack with AKG 414 mathcing par's on ebay for $1800. WOW big diff. But then again if your not looking for Carter Buaford type of stuff you can get away with the Shure kit if you have that Focusrite Octopre Dynamic mk2 channel strip-it's designed for drums and only $699. Then it's on to the bass, use the kick drum mic/ mkd421 to record this. Also run through your preamp and roll off the highs on the kick mic(pref akg d112) or your shure combo kit mic. Then the phase the mkd421 by listening through headphones while placing the mic(long extension cable soley for this purpose-the length of cables tweaks the sound a bit on everything, try to use the shortest cables possible) and moving the mic to wear it sounds sweatest. Also adjust the the mkd421 rolloff to mid or high, mess with it to get the right sound after you've found the sweat spot. Also spend time finding the sweat spot, it's super important. You could spend days doing it if all the gear is not top notch(guitar amps/guitars/bass/amps/strings...etc!) Mic'ing super important! YOU'LL NOTICE A LOT OF SUPER IMPORTANT SHIT WITH RECORDING. IT'S ALL TRUE TO AN EXTENT. I don't want anything less than what happens on the radio so... On to guitar use the Sennheiser mkd421 for low pass(has twisty knob on bottom) then 57 for highs run both through preamp, same as drums if no money. But you will have to mess with the sound for days! If money run through Avalon vt-737 or something simular-(multiple pre-amps is a must when recording, same with mics)And Akg 414 for room noise. Even weeks to get the right tone! Unless your awesome! Ha.
Then Vocs....Most important(everyone listens to Vocs first, and first impressions or the most important). If you don't have money for a Nueman mic(they kick ass)get a Blue-Bluebird condensor and a kick ass pre-amp, Focusrite Vocalmaster Pro Platinum($600-ebay) is ok and will do! But bigger is better! Also your room in which everything is recorded(Drums, guitars, bass, vocals). Soundproofing/reinforcement is essential, without this even with the very best of equipment you shit will sound like shit! So do some homework and experiment. And take some time to learn everything about your equipment that you have/your going to buy/ or that you need to sound proof! Trying to be cost effective only goes so far, many times your much better off saving an additional 5 months to get the proper gear, then settling for crap! This is an outline for cost effectiveness!
Love....
Lovemonkey3833
 
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