Mixed version of What I Want

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Good song! Kind of reminds me of The Byrds in a strange sort of way crossed with Matthew Sweet. I love this sound!

The vocals on my end sounded well mixed. I did hear a little bit of the mentioned mud in the guitar sound, but I kind of liked the way it sounded (isn't everything subjective?) :D

Very cool song. This one (along with Stupid Song...which I was finally able to download) will go on my personal comp that I am making.

:D
 
I think this is the best set of feedback I've ever received on this site. This is fantastic.

SLuiCe - at first I thought you had the two versions mistakenly switched until a couple of others agreed with you. I boosted the bass a ton coming out of the compressor. I tried to pay attention to getting a solid low end to the mix. I might try rolling off some lows and see what comes out. I'm using a new verb module and I"m not completely used to it. At one point, I had a bunch more than what you're hearing! I'll pull it back more. As far as where it is in the chain... My computer can't handle it in real time so the verbs are burned in to the tracks. I clone a track, apply the verb to 100% of the track, and then adjust the faders to get the wet/dry mix. So it's difficult to answer your question.

freshears - harmonies harmonies harmonies. With your voice, you could do terrific things. I'm having trouble picking out pitch issues too. But I'm going to go back and solo the tracks and see what I can spot.

jcmm - thanks for checking in. It didn't seem that muddy to me, but if several people mention it, then I tend to think it's true.

eric - thanks for the listen. I agree that I'm improving, which feels good.

powder - there's that muddy thing again :). I think I can do something about that. Just my opinion, but I still don't think the mixed version is MORE muddy. Anyway, I'll work on it.

participant - terrific information. I'm going to print this off as a cheat sheet and do some tweaking. I boosted several tracks around 350-500, so that's what you're hearing. I wonder if I can cut back the distorted guits there, and give them a boost (very small as you said) at around 1K to bring them out more. I notched the bass at around 80 to give the kick drum room. I can notch it a bit further and bring up the kick. The vocals are sharp? Ped said he thought they were flat. This is confusing.

boydrj - glad you liked it. I'm a huge Matthew Sweet fan. So that was nice to hear.
 
MMM,
I listended to both versions back to back. Here are my thoughts:

Version 1 sounds clearer to me on vocs. IMO I don't think you need the verb (or that much) on the vocals, especially since you have all that patented doubling. ;) :) I might lessen the verb on the guitars as well. There is lot going on in those mid frequencies. Try to separate those guitars in to frequency categories. Make selective cuts on the ones overlapping so you can pick them out. That might clear some of the mud. Panning is your friend too. Place those guitars strategically. You may have done that but it is hard to tell with the ovelapping frequencies.

Bass sounds good. I don't hear the kick though. There may be some ovelapping there too.

Drums work. Maybe they coud come up some with a verb on the whole kit. You may have done that but it's hard tell.

There is a lot going on so this very hard, but I would love to hear you take another crack at the mix.

Do it for your fans! ;) :D
 
I've already told you how much I liked the tune, so I will get right on to the complaints..

to my ears it sounds like it was recorded on an 8 track cassette with dirty heads.. or encoded at 64kbps or something like that.. It sounds quite muffled to me.. The first thing I did when it started was read the first reply to see if it was pointed out.. I think I've been saying this for a year now, but something sounds weird with your encoding.. or maybe it's the reverb like the others mentioned.. Whatever the cause it sounds like a cassette with dirty heads imop.. Almost like someone has a blanket over the speakers..

I guess it's better than being harsh..

the song and lyrics are great! I figured you like people to be critical..



I heard a pop @ 1:25! :eek:












j/k about the pop
 
damn

yo trip, I think my speakers are screwed up because mixmkr's song sounds similar.. I just got this computer 3 days ago and haven't worked out the bugs. Not that it matters, but I'll listen again later on..
 
I'm a dick.. it's not nearly as bad as it was.. I had a loose rca jack hooked into one of the speakers..:o sorry to blow the whistle needlessly..

it's not as bad as I first heard it.. you got enough advice about the mix from the more knowledgeable ones.. I'm outta here until the next thread..
 
Hey tripleM,
I think your content is Great!!
My first thought, besides your content is great....is that I wanted to hear a "hotter" recording.

The tune is very melodic and just begs for some power!

Very creative!

Robert Mark
 
skids - the vocals on the two versions are totally separate recordings. The first versions were a little hotter in the mids. I can add some back to the final version. It's almost unanimous - too much verb. I think I'm going to shorten the delay and make it dryer for everything. I'm going to review how I panned things. "Do it for your fans." That one made me smile.

Sam - there you've admitted it... you're a dick. :D. Thanks for the listen(s). You scared the piss out of me with that pop comment. he he. Actually there is some crackling going on at about :39 I think. It's pretty faint. It's put there by the limiter. I wanted to see if anyone noticed.

Robert - Before I even posted this thing I felt it was muffled. I don't think the tracking was quite perfect. Now that I've received comments, I might see what I can do with some EQing because it might be savable. Otherwise, I might take a third shot at tracking it. Thanks for the songwriting comments.

Thanks everyone...
 
Yo.. TripleM... or TripleNipple... or "Little Pop" :D:D ...

TripleM said:
participant - I wonder if I can cut back the distorted guits there, and give them a boost (very small as you said) at around 1K to bring them out more.
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Don't boost too narrow a freq. band, since the notes you play will have varying "peaks" in the area between 500-1000... IOW there will be some content in there... but not "exactly" at 1kHz all the time. And be careful not to boost that band TOO much, since the body of your vocal sits in roughly the same area.

The vocals are sharp? Ped said he thought they were flat. This is confusing.
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I'm probably wrong... listen to Ped... because they DID sound off in relation to the music in a couple of places... I thought the vocal was a tad too high in pitch ... could be just the opposite.


C
 
Big improvement over the other 2 versions I've heard. Bass sounds really good, in fact, lots better than before. Clean guitar sounds really good - I remember it taking up too much space before, but it sits very nicely in the mix now.. Only thing I don't like is the dirty guitar, but I'm gonna say that's a preference thing. The work you've done on this has paid off.
 
participant - I understand your point about boosting there. That's beginning to get to the area where the ears are real sensitive. Right now (from memory) I think I'm boosting the guits from 350-500. Personally, what would you suggest changing? My intention is to pull that back, and give a gentle boost centered around 800-1000, but over a fairly wide range. Empahsis on the word "gentle." Damn, I'm going to have to retrack the vox again. Pisses me off.

fprod - thank you much for checking it out. Happy you like the new version better.
 
TripleM said:
participant - I understand your point about boosting there. That's beginning to get to the area where the ears are real sensitive.
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Interesting you'd point that out. Dave Moulton says that our ears are most sensitive to the 2kHz band... not to dispute what you've said. at all.

Right now (from memory) I think I'm boosting the guits from 350-500. Personally, what would you suggest changing? My intention is to pull that back, and give a gentle boost centered around 800-1000, but over a fairly wide range. Empahsis on the word "gentle."
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SOunds like a good starting point. If you can get away with a larger "bump" without sacrificing vocal clarity, go for it. There's no set formula, of course.

Damn, I'm going to have to retrack the vox again. Pisses me off.
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I dunno... maybe for the pitch issues, but try the remix without changing your vocs first. Maybe it will sound better without the guitar boost.


C
 
Hey man...Just a quickie here.

I giggle everytime I hear this song. I love the lyrics. :D

Am I insane, or did you retrack the vocals since the last one I heard? They sound good over all, but it almost sounds like you are a little hoarse once in awhile. Doesn't sound bad, just different than I remember. I may be bonkers.

There is a little pitchiness on the vocal. Especially the last line in the chorus when you go down to "me" in "but I'll blame it on me. I would probably redo that, just because it kind of hangs there. If it were in another spot, may not be a big deal, but this is on the hook.

I'll agree with some of the muddy comments. I didn't read all of the comments, so I don't know if I'm totally repeating or not.

I really like this song...did I mention that.

It just cracks me up. (in a good way :D)

Nice job
 
Hey Jag... Thanks for listening and saying how much you like the song. I just solo'd the lead vox yesterday and then listened to them with just the guits. They're horrible from top to bottom. I can't believe I let any of that get by. I'm going to retrack them (they're tripled). I made some EQ and reverb changes on the guitars which I think will help. It shouldn't be as muffled or muddy.

participant - I thought the distorted guits sounded best with a boost centered at around 1100 hz. I have a 2 db boost, but I may have to pull that back if it covers the vox. Won't know that until I retrack'em.

I'm going to be out on vacation for a while, so it'll be a couple of weeks.

Thanks everyone.
 
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