minidisc vs. track recorder

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Don't we have this conversation with Applesmasher every week?
 
TexRoadkill said:
Don't we have this conversation with Applesmasher every week?
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I think you're right Tex.

Thought I'd give it a shot anyway.:p
 
Haha very funny this is the first time i posted this question. This is a step up from my last post which was "what are some things you can record with?" hehe see im learning alot.

maestro_dmc said:
No sarcasm behind my question.

A better way would be to import the CD "tracks" into an Audio program on your computer, such as Sonar, Cubase & others, then hook up a mic to a preamp to a soundcard, and record your new vocals into the computer where you can then mix them, add effects, mixdown, and burn a CD of your own, all in the computer.

You don't need a MD or other stand-alone unit for what you are trying to do.

Also with the setup I described you can do more than "1 track vocals", you can layer harmonies, add instruments, sampled beats, whatever you want to try.
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Its ok i think you understood me perfectly. I knew that multitrack was for recording different sources at once. The reason i was thinking about using a minidisc was for the option of being able to move it around and record in different locations. And I would just like to take this oppurtunity to say thanks for all that have been giving me advice cause I really have been learning ALOT.
 
I knew that multitrack was for recording different sources at once.
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Not just diff sources at once, discreet seperate tracks, independantly controllable.

Are you going to record acapella music only or what?
 
Since i am retarded I do not know what you mean about acapella. However, i am recording 1 singer singing vocals. That is all.
 
argh.

yes, one singer, but with or without musical accompaniment?

Will your finished project be one person singing by themself without any music behind them?(a capella)

Or do you have some prerecorded music you want to sing to?



How are you going to be cool and have your own CD?


I don't think your retarded, just a little thick.;)
 
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Well your a big Cockass! So there! haha no j/k. But im not thick Im just ignorant!:P

ohhhhhhhh its A cappella. I looked up acappella but didnt find it. Well yah im recording over instrumentals i already have. But im not recording any instruments. I plan to lay the vocals over the track with some type of computer program like pro tools LE. Then do some burnage on the cds.
 
BTW what are you talking about, I spelled a capella right! hehehe



















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Will somebody please give Apple a link to some basic multitrack recording tutorials? I'm trying to understand how he has 120 posts and hasn't caught onto the whole thing yet.

Apple- Please don't buy anything for awhile and spend more time reading. A single track MD recorder will not work for what you want to do. You need a multitrack recorder. Have you ever been curious as to how you are going to record vocals by themselves with no music? How do you know if you are singing in the right key? How do you know if the tempo is correct?
 
Go ahead and give the links, but he won't read them. . .
 
No i will! I love Links! Links are special! But I dont understand why i would need an extra track besides vocals if im only recording the one track of vocals. Of course when I mix it togather in the computer i will be adding more than one track, that is adding the vocals over the mix, but as far as the recording machine how would i even use those extra tracks? I realize i need something to hear so i can sing in key but how is an extra track going to allow for that. I was thinking of just listening to a cd player with headphones to do it.

TexRoadKill- Yes, thanks for the advice. That is what i am trying to do is consume as much info as possible before I go buy anymore stuff. Thats why my 120 posts in all the different areas. As far as the Multi track Vs. Minidisc for my humble operations ive gotten alot of reccomendations for a both, and quite a few for just getting a good soundcard and hooking my stuff in through that. If I understood how an extra track could be used to help sing in time, tempo etc, then it might tip the scales on that decision.
 
applesmasher said:
TexRoadKill- Yes, thanks for the advice. That is what i am trying to do is consume as much info as possible before I go buy anymore stuff. Thats why my 120 posts in all the different areas. As far as the Multi track Vs. Minidisc for my humble operations ive gotten alot of reccomendations for a both, and quite a few for just getting a good soundcard and hooking my stuff in through that. If I understood how an extra track could be used to help sing in time, tempo etc, then it might tip the scales on that decision.
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Okay. Try and follow me here. You decide you want to record a song. You pick a karoake backing track for that song. Then you take your MD recorder and record some vocals. What are you listening to while you sing? How will you match up the vocals you are singing with a song that you aren't listening too?
 
Okay, Apple, first of all get this into your head if you get nothing else: You need Multi track capabilities to do what you are talking about.

Now, forget about everything else and just try to grasp what multi-tracking MEANS.

It does not mean a way of hooking up a bunch of different mics/cables to your recorder. That is what a mixer is for. That is called Multi-channel mixing. Very different concept. Still an important one for recording, but not for what you are doing.

So what is a Track? It is a recording of an individual voice or instrument that is discreet. Like the guitar solo in a song. when a song was "mixed" the audio engineer brought the guitar solo "track" up or down depending on what the song needed. He had a multi-track recorder. He had maybe as many as 24 different tracks that he was "mixing" together to get the sound of a full band. Each one of those tracks was a different sound,either a snare drum, or a bass guitar, or a keyboard, or a vocal(etc.).

How do you think a Karaoke back-up track is produced?

Somebody did just that as I described, but they mixed it down to 2 tracks (stereo left and right) so you would have something to sing to.

Now you want to add vocals to that. Your first job is to take your multi-track recorder, and put those 2 stereo tracks into it. On a computer this is as simple as "ripping" the tracks to a wave file, and "inserting" them into pro tools or other multi-track program. Now you can playback on your multi-track software, and sing in time, while you are recording a NEW track of your own voice, which will now be all synced up to the karaoke "tracks"

Please tell me that made sense. . .:(
 
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OOOkay i see! Well i was thinking you meant like a 4 track recorder or something when you said multitrack. So you can see how I would be confused since im only recording one thing. I understand what you mean now. And thats basically what im planning on doing is arranging the different tracks in pro tools. I guess to sing in time ill just have to sing with some headphones on with the background music playing from a cd player, and then try to sync up the vocals and music afterwords on the computer. Im hoping if I get some insulated headphones that the noise wont go through the mic. This discussion has kind of strayed away from if I need a 4 track recorder or just a mini disc but thats cool theres alot of good information here i think for me and any other novices.:)
 
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applesmasher said:
OOOkay i see! Well i was thinking you meant like a 4 track recorder or something when you said multitrack. So you can see how I would be confused since im only recording one thing. I understand what you mean now. And thats basically what im planning on doing is arranging the different tracks in pro tools. I guess to sing in time ill just have to sing with some headphones on with the background music playing from a cd player, and then try to sync up the vocals and music afterwords on the computer. Im hoping if I get some insulated headphones that the noise wont go through the mic. This discussion has kind of strayed away from if I need a 4 track recorder or just a mini disc but thats cool theres alot of good information here i think for me and any other novices.:)
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sigh. You need to think. Think hard. Think long. Then when you're pretty sure you understand please think some more. YOU DO NEED A FOURTRACK OR BETTER FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

You are not only recording one thing. Your are recording 3 things (vocal, Karaoke mix L and R). Just because you are only recording one thing at a time does not mean you don't need a multitrack recorder.

Why don't you just record the vocals straight to ProTools? Just out of curiosity how old are you?
 
All I need to hear is the word Karaoke and I feel faint.

No minidiscs...

Like Tex said...why is someone who plan on using protools asking about tracking to minidisc anyway?

SoMm
 
maestro_dmc said:
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Son of a bitch you used the last bullet. Has anyone ever pistol whipped themselves to death before?

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I just have to say BAD BAD attitudes! sigh. OMG you dont make any sense! You are CRAPPY teachers! Cause im not recording any instrumentals! They are already recorded and in my computer! I think all i have to do is mix it with the vocals in Pro tools and then burn it from there. I already said that! And how do you get so hostile, you cant expect people to just know this stuff if you dont explain it clearly. I mean i appreciate the help but i dont really need all the BS! Have some patience geeeez!
 
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