middleman plays the blues

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Funny..... It has a "burnt" sound to it, like Grateful Dead meets the Doors. I think theres some stuff on "the soft parade" (by the Doors) that will give you an idea why compared. I like the way it came in, and it was recorded decent. Sounds like the lyrics should be humorous, like comedy music.

There were other things mentioned that I agree with too....like the vocals being out.... and too loud, but my voice isn't too good, so take it for what it's worth. I don't know too much about the blues, as mine have turned black now, but this doesnt sound like it IMOP.

later.
 
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fangar - i completely understand. thanks for listenin'...i don't get why everyone says it isn't blues...the words/lyrics are taken straight from the book, "San Francisco Blues," by Jack Kerouac and the music is blues guitar and bass...What's the problem? is it because i'm white? thanks again
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WOOOOO, Hang on, I must have missed this comment by you, that is ONE of the most stupid things I have read here yet.


later.
 
Black - thanks for listenin' and commenting. I'll have to get Soft Parade to hear the comparison. why did you say that that was the most stupid thing ever said? in any case, i appreciate you listenin'. take care
 
Hey again Samich, I figured I owed you another listen after the praise you gave me earlier.

I first have to mention the fact that when I made that post the other day (my very first post on homerecording), I was just being a smart ass. I know the comments were a little overblown and I was pretty sure you werent going to take me seriously. I just felt the need to make my initial presence at the clinic a sarcastic and foolish one. Just my way of breaking the Ice. I feel kinda bad now for making people think you were talking to yourself. That would be pretty fuck*** lame.

Anyway like I said I gave it another listen, and can't say that there was anything I didnt like about it. It had a nice purified groove to it. I won't totally disagree with the Morrison similarity comments but then again when did Val Kilm... I mean Jim Morrison become so unpopular. And if It's not blues what is it I ask? ya know.

Hearing it also made me wanna jump in with some leads in a serious way, It almost hurts how bad I wish I had the nessesary equipment to correlate with your style. All around good stuff.
 
Ya know what I just realized I bleeped out the wrong three f***ing letters. Hope you're not offended.

OKBYE
 
wig - i figured as much, if i remember right..my entrance to this site was poorly received as well because i had unknowingly cross-posted an mp3. oh well, some people'll like ya and some will hate ya and then some won't give a damn either way. i am here for everyone. i really appreciate the more "down to earth" commentary you posted. you said you wanted to riff to it...what kind of equipment do you have? instruments? mixers or amps? sound card? it can happen...i've posted the opportunity on here to collaborate, but music creation tends to be an egoistic field. i'd love to hear some of your ideas though. let me know.
no prob with the swear slip. atleast you didn't dip your cock in my coffee. lates
 
samich17 said:
fangar - i completely understand. thanks for listenin'...i don't get why everyone says it isn't blues...the words/lyrics are taken straight from the book, "San Francisco Blues," by Jack Kerouac and the music is blues guitar and bass...What's the problem? is it because i'm white? thanks again
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It has nothing to do with what race you are.It has everything to do with the fact that you have NO feeling or soul.The song is lifeless and doesnt evoke ANY type of emotion or feeling.

Soul and feeling are essential elements in any style of music and even more so in the blues ...

You did not display either of those in this song.

Later~
 
rbw87 - well, since the "soul" and "feeling" in music is completely subjective, it's kind of hard to say if a song really contains either, however, i appreciate your opinion, but since i made the song i can say that you are wrong. there is soul in the song, it is playfulness and the same goes for the feeling. by the way, music doesn't have boundries.
 
I don't think it's a matter of genre....instead of offering recording tips or advice, (which is the fucking purpose of the clinic), some people chose to simply trash him for no reason other than his tune didn't fit into their idea of what "blues" should sound like......

Some of you oughta keep in mind that in all probabilty, not one of the obligatory snide remarks about his song came from anybody who might even remotely stand a chance of being recorded professionally, much less make it in the music business other than potential roady material.......anybody wanna post a copy of their latest fucking contract?????...............pictures of your mansions or cars??????................

Only a couple of replies offered solutions to help his sound.....

The rest seemed to enjoy jumping on the genre bandwagon.....

The clinic never used to be like that......now it seems there is more than a few bitter little wannabees that have something shitty to say, but nothing to offer...............

This entire site is meant to encourage and promote Home Recording..................remember?....................


If something's not up to anyone's bitchy standards, let's hear some suggestions from you oh so succesful critics on how to make it up to your high level..............some of you fucks even have more than 3 posts, surely you can handle giving out some recording tips, right?.................
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Now....samich17, the song has some probs, recording-wise....even with a minimal set-up, there are some changes that can be made by simply listening to the tune yourself......if you listen objectively (hearing what IS, as opposed to what you want to hear) you might notice that the vocals have timing issues, as well as key issues....this is something that practice practice practice and a judicial use of your own ear can correct.....become your own worst critic, and your music can only get better and better......a lot more gear would give you more tools, but if you can get an approximation of what is in your head versus what is currently on tape, then you're on yer way......

I liked the bass lines a lot, you seemed to enjoy them too, and it showed....a bit more bottom overall would help, though.....gibs
 
gibs said:
I don't think it's a matter of genre....instead of offering recording tips or advice, (which is the fucking purpose of the clinic), some people chose to simply trash him for no reason other than his tune didn't fit into their idea of what "blues" should sound like......

Some of you oughta keep in mind that in all probabilty, not one of the obligatory snide remarks about his song came from anybody who might even remotely stand a chance of being recorded professionally, much less make it in the music business other than potential roady material.......anybody wanna post a copy of their latest fucking contract?????...............pictures of your mansions or cars??????................

Only a couple of replies offered solutions to help his sound.....

The rest seemed to enjoy jumping on the genre bandwagon.....

The clinic never used to be like that......now it seems there is more than a few bitter little wannabees that have something shitty to say, but nothing to offer...............

This entire site is meant to encourage and promote Home Recording..................remember?....................


If something's not up to anyone's bitchy standards, let's hear some suggestions from you oh so succesful critics on how to make it up to your high level..............some of you fucks even have more than 3 posts, surely you can handle giving out some recording tips, right?.................
:mad:


Now....samich17, the song has some probs, recording-wise....even with a minimal set-up, there are some changes that can be made by simply listening to the tune yourself......if you listen objectively (hearing what IS, as opposed to what you want to hear) you might notice that the vocals have timing issues, as well as key issues....this is something that practice practice practice and a judicial use of your own ear can correct.....become your own worst critic, and your music can only get better and better......a lot more gear would give you more tools, but if you can get an approximation of what is in your head versus what is currently on tape, then you're on yer way......

I liked the bass lines a lot, you seemed to enjoy them too, and it showed....a bit more bottom overall would help, though.....gibs
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I seriously thought/think the song he posted was a joke/a gag/serious submissions will surely get serious feedback.
 
Lighten up Gibs,

You know boys will be boys. There were some positive comments in there too. Also Samich has been around here long enough to know that us goofballs lash out for no reason. He has confidence in himself as you can see from his more than easy acceptance of ALL feedback. He takes the criticism very well and I am sure will apply that towards his works in progress in the future. That is what boys are all about.

Anyway, when one places a label on their music in the MP3 clinic, another can also critique that label as well. For example, if I posted some shitty ass Distorted guitar riff (Like most of my songs are by the way) and called a classical piece with the belief that was what it was, I would hope for some guidance. But then again labels have always been such a pain for me. Especially when my girlfriend in highschool saw my underwear label that my mother had written my name on. =)

P.S. Blow me. =)

Fangar
 
Samich,
haven't D/L'd your tune yet - I will when I am back on a high speed connect.

But I need to ask you something - you mentioned something about someone dipping or not dipping their cock in your coffee?

I love that!

May I incorporate the whole 'cock dipped in coffee' idea into a song?

Or a poem?

I really dig that. Is it a common phrase? If so, I am surprised - I try to keep up to date on stuff like that.
 
Cool bass line man....
I did not dig the reversed vox at the beginning....
Perhaps also, if you did a "harmony" vox instaed of what you have done...ya know...
Another guitar track would be cool...and drums too...needs drums.
:cool:
 
Gibs - i appreciate you coming out and saying those things. i tend to agree with ya that this place fails to be what it's suppose to be, however, there are many people here that want to offer a critiquing ear, useful tips and other productive commentary. it just seems that they keep themselves away from my posts for some reason :) it's cool. the music is for me first and you guys last. i bring this music here to get the opinions of as many as possible. i try not, and will continue to try not, to take things too personally.

as for your tips....thank you very much for listening to the track and commenting. i agree with ya about being more attentive. i've been trying to learn new thinsg in each of the main fields of music creation, while honing the skills i do have. i'm so meticulous that if i was to work on a song until i felt it right...it'd never be heard. i don't have monitors, so all my cuts come out colored by my speakers, this makes it especially hard to mix evenly...furthermore, my recording techniques are still very young, even though i've been at this nearly 7 years. i love doing this, i don't plan on stopping, so i knwo my stuff will continue to get better and better and at a quicker pace with constructive criticism like yours, thank you.

i know the vocals are off key and peak at places...this track in particular wasn't a jok or gag song as put by rbw87, but it was a spur of the moment type song...i wanted it to maintain absolute reality. i'm a basshead at heart..my first love. :) thanks again Gibs, take care brother.
 
Fangar - you are right. i can take what you guys can dish..it doesn't get to me that much. it does hurt a little because the obvious, but to answer a specific point. i only called this track a blues track because the guitar and bass follow a I-IV-V progression and as far as i know..in every music book i've read..that consitutes it as a blues progression, speed it up and it becomes a rock and roll progression...:) pretty simple concept. i know that the blues is more than chord progressions, but technically it isn't. why argue about it though. categorizing music just belittles it anyways. thanks for responding. take care brother

Brad - that line comes from Eddie Murphy's stand up video called, "Delirious" rent it! watch it over and over! comedy at its best. you go ahead and use it, because it works in so many different situations. pre-emptive thank you for listening. let me know what you think. take care brother.

joro - thanks a lot for listening. i think i have to agree with ya, the reverse intro was just a way to make it strange...overkill on my part, if a track needs a certain oddity...throw a reversal in there...:) i would remove it and repost, but the song has had its closure. i like the bass line too..playing bass is my first love. i started with bass and will end with bass. i probably will add another guitar, i was hoping that a real blues lead guitarist could fill it up for me, add a little persoanl flavor to it, but it wasn't very well received, so i didn't bother asking...as far as drums go.. don't have a kit and electro-drums just won't sit well with that tune, but i know what you mean...thanks again for listening and responding, muchos appreciated...take care brother.
 
No matter what genre this is.. (totally irrelevant, eh?) I think you've got a good thing going with this song. I'm one of those who likes this dry sound a lot (even tho the guitar MIGHT sound a little richer with some verb.. but that's no biggie.. it has a good sound as is).. The bass is just right for this kinda song. The SOUND of the vocals is very nice (the vox sound a bit too much like reading out of a book, but you definitely have the potential to work up a good voice.. no doubt 'bout that. practice practice..) what mic/pre?

rbw87 is obviously an asshole.. don't listen to him.
 
Meshuggah says:"rbw87 is obviously an asshole.. don't listen to him."

I just call it as I see's it dude.Dont get your panties in a wad.
 
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i know the vocals are off key and peak at places...this track in particular wasn't a jok or gag song as put by rbw87, but it was a spur of the moment type song...i wanted it to maintain absolute reality. i'm a basshead at heart..my first love. :) thanks again Gibs, take care brother.
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I just wrote a Freaking 2 page post about this and the friggin thing said I wasnt logged in went I hit reply.Lost the whole thing!

Here's the gist of it.

Im a big enough man to apologize whe Im wrong.Not an asshole as was implied by meshugga.

This song compared to your other stuff on nowhereradio just didnt hit me as a real effort.Now that you say it was a sincere effort,I apologize.

I have nothing against you.I dont know you.I just listened to the song you posted and that was my reaction.

I try to keep it as real as possible and not inflate someones ego for the sake of not hurting their feelings.If you surround yourself with "yes men" and back patters,it will hinder your musical growth.

I really like Oddman out and rabbit renewed.Those are really good songs.(but we're not discussiing those here)

I wasnt picking on you with this song.I was just making an honest comment of how I felt about it.If I would have known it was a sincere effort I surely would have been more tactful with my reply,or maybe no reply at all.You have to remember though,everybody will not like everything you do and some people cannot find one thing positive to say about certain songs.Thats just the way it is.

I know you guard your creations and get hurt when someone doesnt have a good comment about one of them ,but its a good idea to step back and look at it from a different perspective(trying to be detached from your song as much as possible) when asking people to critque your songs in public.

I usually expect a little more production quailtys when listening to someones song posted on the net.Especially here in the MP3 clinic.The level of professionalism is pretty high here with the exception of a small few.

Again,I aplogize for making the remarks I made.I like some of your other stuff but I just cant find anything constructive to say about this one.Sorry.

have a good one.~
 
rbw87 - thanks for this response. it wasn't necessary, but appreciated.

"I really like Oddman out and rabbit renewed.Those are really good songs.(but we're not discussiing those here)"

i'm glad you like them and you are right.


"I wasnt picking on you with this song.I was just making an honest comment of how I felt about it.If I would have known it was a sincere effort I surely would have been more tactful with my reply,or maybe no reply at all.You have to remember though,everybody will not like everything you do and some people cannot find one thing positive to say about certain songs.Thats just the way it is."

i know. :) the balance of nature says that an equal amount of people will like and dislike my music...and the things that make people hate my music will be the same reason why others like it. i like to think that i'm a reasonable man.


"I know you guard your creations and get hurt when someone doesnt have a good comment about one of them ,but its a good idea to step back and look at it from a different perspective(trying to be detached from your song as much as possible) when asking people to critque your songs in public."


you're right...i agree and i try, it'll get easier the more i put stuff out there. it's only been about 7 years for me.


"I usually expect a little more production quailtys when listening to someones song posted on the net.Especially here in the MP3 clinic.The level of professionalism is pretty high here with the exception of a small few."


that's fine that you expect a little more. it's good to have people setting higher standards if they can use constructive critique to solidify it. personally, i liek music of all calibers..from the the lowest grade to the highest....i can usually appreciate one thing everytime i listen to a track or idea. i try not to get ahead of myself with music creation. i can appreciate your stance.

"Again,I aplogize for making the remarks I made.I like some of your other stuff but I just cant find anything constructive to say about this one.Sorry.

have a good one.~"


no problem. thanks for listening. you have a good one too.


middleman
 
Middleman,

I really dig your style. Your not afraid to experiment and do your own thing, I like that. Do you really record just a double cassette deck or do you use actuall recording equipment? I would kind of hope in my heart of hearts that you only use a double tape deck and optimus mics to get your sound since that would be like cool lo fi mountain goat type shit. Oddman out rocks as well the Charles Dickens piece. Great syncopated rythyms on both those songs.
 
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