Micing a full kit

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well i'm not saying you need 100 grand worth of mics to do this :D


This is stuff that could be done on an 002 rack for a very moderate budget. i only wanted to speak from one end just to voice an opinion.

In terms of rooms, you'd be surprised how well most living rooms, kitchens and bathrooms work phenomenally as room ambiances, again, all without a million dollar studio.

Only my opinion that a couple of room mics would make a big difference.
 
I would be surprised if someone's bathroom or kitchen worked phenominally for drum ambience.

It doesn't hurt to try it though.
 
Trying out room mics isn't a bad idea, but it's kind of a waste of precious channels when you only have 8 at your disposal.
 
seems like a question that needs asking;

are there any 'phasing issues'(wtf that is?) using room mics? if so, what can you about that?
 
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Phasing is when one mic is picking up the peak of a sound wave while the other is picking up the valley. Imagine a silent waveform as a line that will represent zero. Anything below that line will be negative and anything above positive. If you have a sound wave hitting one mic while the wave is at, let's say, -5 while another mic is picking up that same sound wave but on the +5 peak of the wave they cancel out because
-5 + +5 = 0. It can be fixed by using the phase reverse on your mixer if it has one but it's better to mic more carefully.
 
yea, I kinda get it. sort of. I've never run into it, but if this guy is gonna use room mics, it could be an issue. thought it was worth mentioning, at least
 
Of course you can avoid this problem buy selling your drums and mics on ebay and buying plugins!
 
3 to 1 Rule - WikiRecording

Fail.



"The image on the left shows the 3 to 1 rule with only one sound source"
snip..
"So, if one mic is 2 ft from a sound source, the second will be 6 ft .."
" Once again, this technique is used to prevent phase problems between the two mics.. "
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Hmm. And that's for phase right?
Well, actually so we don't hear the effect of the second mic.

Oh.
Wait a minute.. Then what's the use in having the second mic?
Oh I can just turn it back up some.
Well no, that would just cancel what you gained by moving it away in the first place.



"...room miking generally greater than 3ft+ from a sound source minimizes or uses phase to its advantage depending on the technique. "
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Hmm. 3ft. Really.
Actually it would be the point where the level of a multitude of random reflections overwhelms the level from the direct path, so now the combing from the direct path is blended in. (..err 'out :)
And in that case we wouldn't be "using phase to its advantage" anyway. If we wanted to do that we would place it at any number of frikin places close enough where we could hear the phase effect. :o

IMO.... We should, in general for the good of the art, pounce on and flush half baked crap references like this.
Then we have a link on the same page to Sweetwater, doing the same thing- Almost teaching 3:1.
They lead with 3:1 as if it was foremost 'a single source-dual mic' technique (that happens to apply to multi source/multi mic BTW :rolleyes: )... never bothering to say why it works-
Worse, where and why it won't!

Glossary: 3:1 Rule of Microphone Placement | Sweetwater.com

I called Sweetwater on that one a few years ago. Apparently they could give a damn as it's still there. :p;)
 
So poo poo on the 3 to 1? :confused:


I just figured it'd be a good place for a new guy to get the gist. (shrugs)

:drunk:
 
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So poo poo on the 3 to 1? :confused:


I just figured it'd be a good place for a new guy to get the gist. (shrugs)

:drunk:
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Well, let's check it out. Yeah, 3:1's a completely valid concept to understand, and use.

But now assume 'new guy status. Do those links really do the job? Or do they teach some vague notions about it?
Let's see, I put my first mic on my cab 3" away and my second mic was 9" away. ...But it still sounds like phased out ass. What the fuck.
And off we go. 'Poo poo on 3:1'... Why? Cause it doesn't work? No it works fine. :p
See where I'm going here? We got a web full of it. It ain’t worth squat without the whole story.
 
The 3:1 rule only applies to micing multiple sources. For example, if you're micing your toms, and you have a mic 1" from Tom 1, then the mic on Tom 2 has to be at least 3" from the mic on Tom 1.

In theory.

Since I don't close mic my toms, I poo-poo on it, too. :D
 
great :mad:

now there's a bunch of flies buzzin around in here too :mad:
 
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