Mic/Recording problems, whats the best fix?....

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Hello and thank you for taking the time I hope to settle this problem.

My Father plays Guitar, Banjo and sings, he uses his computer (Adobe Audition) to make his recordings. I had given him a cheap $5.00 microphone I used to use for my computer to talk to others, it did the job, nothing spectacular mind you, just made recordings he could play and practice with, no need for them to be "studio" quality.
We recentley decided to get him a better mic, went to Radio Shack and bought a decent "Vocal Dynamic Mic" for him.
When using this new mic he says it does not record with the same "volume" as the cheap one, for example:
When recording with the old mic he could sit back 3-4 feet and record the guitar and voice and you could see on Audition that the pattern was high, and it produced a louder playback.
When recording with this new mic 3-4 feet away, it hardly moves, playback is a lot lower and he says he has to amplify it before its loud enough on playback.
I told him from my very little experience (very little) that it was the mic, a mic like this new one was meant to be closer I thought for one thing, that the quality of the recording was much much better just was not as loud.
He thinks its just not a good mic, that if he has to amplify it any its not a good mic.
Can someone please tell us both what the deal is, is it better to have the better mic and use it a different way, amplify the recording or whatever, or should we just get him another cheap computer mic that records at a higher volume.
I would like for him to start learning to do better quality recordings, getting better equipment a little at a time because a lot of people are very interested in his music, on forums that he goes to some people really enjoy his "Bluegrass" playing and vocals and want copies of his music.
Also, I have "Reason by propellerhead, would this be a much better way to do his recordings, he just wants them Loud, he thinks that if its loud to begin with its just a better recording.
How can we use the new mic to record at a "louder" volume for playback?
BTW, I have used the "mic boost" looked at all the settings available and turned the mic up high for both mics.
Thanks to all who can help.
DumbFounded :D
 
Well it's a dynamic mic, and it's probbly for close vocals, like on stage, whats your signal chain? Directly into a computer? Into a special A/D?


-jeffrey
 
If he was using a computer mic before, it was likely an omni condenser mic which would pick up sound in all directions and have a high sensitivity. Dynamic mikes need more gain to put out as much signal as a condenser. If the new vocal mic is has a cardioid pickup pattern, it will be most sensitive to any sound that's directly in front of it. You probably need a mic preamp. How loud are the tracks in Audition with the vocal mic?
 
Right now they run directly to the computer, built-in RealTek high def sound on the board, was ran into a SoundBlaster Live sound card before I just upgraded his computer.
In Audition, the new Mic looks as if it produces hardly any sound at all (source being 2-3 feet from mic) before it would produce a good amount, looks like -3Db? sound right? I can look closer if you need "exacts"
You can however tell very well how much more quality he is getting out of the Realistic mic., sound much better, but like I said he has to amplify the track in Audition when recording with that mic.
A mic preamp would be very nice if I could get one for him that was not real pricey, I just want him to have some quality recording ability, just not alot of money...lol...
Could a sound board be a solution? I have a friend who has a studio actualy, just getting started but doing very well, my father is just very shy for reasons and would rather do it at home. I could probably get some good deals on a cheapy board or something.
But is pops right? I mean is the choice a good mic without the "louder" records or a cheap mic with "louder" recordings? he feels the better mic is no good because it dosent record as loud.
Thanks again all of you! :D
 
a little mixer

Hi,

The Radio Shack dynamic will not plug directly into the mic in port and work good. In order to do this you really need a mic made for computer input.

There are many other options but I recommend a little mixer. This would attach to the line in port of your realtek integrated sound. This way he could use more than one microphone and really learn how to make good recordings.

There are mixer options for $100 or less. Yamaha and Peavey both compete in this market.

Which Radio Shack mic did you get? Like many brands Realistic varies widely in quality. Still, probably a step up from the computer mic. With a mixer and the right adapter he can use both, find the sweet spot, record stereo.

Thanks,

Hairy Larry
 
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Get an inexpensive preamp and run it into the computer's line input. Then save up and get an audio interface that's designed for recording, and not for typical computer playback requirements.
 
Just saw this "hella Robot like" lol.......
Ya we robots have come along way, answering posts and everything :eek:
This is a link to the mic we got him:
Mic from Radio Shack
Where could we get an enexpensive booster for it?
Also one of the main questions, is louder recordings better?
Thanks all of you, forums like this make anything researchable! ;)

BTW Hairy Larry, my name is also Larry, hair down to me butt...lol......
People call me that too much... :D
 
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DasMorbid1 said:
No ideas I guess.... :(
Well thank you all for the info..

You have been given all the information you need. The microphone you purchased needs a preamp. Period. The mic input of your soundcard is made for gaming mics (like the one he was using before) and will not supply enough gain/volume for the radio shack dynamic. Eventually, you'll probably want to replace the mic and soundcard, too (pretty much anything from radioshack or creative/soundblaster, realtek, etc. are not high quality and not really made for serious recording), but the preamp is what you need for more volume.

Any preamp will do, but at the very least, get an ART Tube MP or M-Audio Audio Buddy. Even better would be something along the lines of a Studio Projects VTB1, M-Audio DMP3, or Rane MS1B.
 
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