Mic pres: Spend $200 or $2,000 ? ? ?

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if you spend 2k on a preamp, you're never going to get the benfit of it unless the rest of the equipment that you use is up to scratch.

i.e. using a 2k preamp with a 4 track is not going to give a fantastic sound. that's a bit of an extreme example, but you see what i mean. if you're using a poor mixer or whatever, you're not going to maintain the clarity and quality of the pre.

whats the rest of your recording rig like?

bloody hell, i have never seen anyone type so much about preamps, i couldn't even read it...too much text!
 
why can't people just stop talking and talking. All these opinions, I can't h ..... blablablabla
 
chessrock, if great river cared half as much as you do, the pre would already be made. in reality, they just don't care very much about the home recording market. nobody who makes really earth-shattering stuff would lower themselves to our level. At this point, I'm thinking of trying to find a good audio engineer and investing some capital in producing products in the $500 range... it's definitely a niche that has possibilities.
 
this just in! I just spoke with some lady at FMR Audio and she said the RNMP was still in design phase with production in the next 30 days - she wouldn't get into specs but DID say that it would be a dual mic pre......mmmmmm.....I wonder if it'll be better than the DMP3?
 


$100 per channel preamp used on 28 or the 32 tracks on this. Drum overheads, Leslie bottom mic, and Sax in the horn line (not the solo..that used the $100 per channel pre too....) used a $500 per channel preamp. Notice that $500 per channel unit wasn't used on the really upfront stuff? ;)

You guys need to quit worrying so damn much. From what I have been hearing in the MP3 Mixing Clinic, you guys should be worrying far more on just recording MORE with what you have then the merits of preamps. That is discussion for the big boys to entertain themselves with. Of course, that above song sounds every bit as good as any average recording coming out of ANY studio that had the same kind of time/song/musicians/ and budget I had to work with.

That same $100 per channel preamp was in between the console and the mixdown deck.

I do agree though that monitors and mics make a MUCH bigger difference in your final outcome. BUT, in that above recording:

Kick/Sax: RE27 (most expensive mic used)
Snare/Toms/Guitars: SM57
Drum overheads/Trumpet/Trombone/Leslie Horn/Female vocal: AT 4033
Male Vocal: AKG 414

Not exactly what I would call and OUTSTANDING mic pack, but very professional and capable of great results when MIC PLACEMENT and SOURCE SOUNDS are done well! Event 20/20's were used the whole way in tracking/mixing.

Oh, this band enjoyed two experienced producers working on it, who also recorded and mixed it.....;) They stopped at nothing to get sounds that worked for the song.

Moral? Start doing some actual recording instead of all this hen pecking over gear selection, and you will soon find out that all this nuance babbling surrounding preamps is a big crock of bullshit. I would never spend money of many of the units mentioned here because they are simply over priced, or impart phoney baloney high mid hash that is not suitable for digital recordings in general. Now there ARE a few preamps listed here that ARE worth some money, but it really doesn't matter what I think, they to me are only worth that kind of money because they do in fact have some uses on specific things that you cannot get with another preamp. But for everyday use, my little ol' $100 preamp seems to be working out okay. What do you think? Take a listen to that audio. It is worth the big download.

Some of you already know what preamp I used on that recording. For the rest of you, take a guess! Also, for the bonus question, take a stab at WHAT I recorded the tracks on, and what I mixed it to (the mixdown medium). I had professional engineers with major label release in their portfolio guessing dead wrong.

Sorry, I just had to step in here and make this point. If you feel I am being kind of harsh when I say that most of you are just posting nonesense, well, so be it, because it is. At some point, SOMEBODY needs to say that generally speaking, the priorities of what is important in the signal chain are pretty blurred around here. I see people nearly going into depression over buying a fucking preamp!!! Oh my god!!! A compressor? Oh shit!!! Better call the doc and get some more pills!!! Try to guess what compressors I had a rack full of when I mixed that song. I will admit the vocal has a Cranesong STC-8 over it, but after that, you will be VERY surprised at what I used.

Take a guess at the effect processors too!!! I will check back and see what the guesses are. That should be entertaining.

Eddie
 
You only guessed the preamp. What did I record to? And what was the mixdown medium? The compressors? The effects?

Some of those you can guess because you have been around here for a while. So I will not say ya or nay to anything.

Eddie
 
Dammit, I was gonna guess Art.

Ok, here's my guesses since Ed/Eddie wants 'em so much:
Behringer Pre's
Behringer Mixer
Alesis 3630 Compressor
Rode NT1 Mic
Tascam Porta01 Multitrack

All that without even listening to the song!

Point being that I freely admit that I would have no clue if I did actually listen to the song...

Ok, listened to the song out of respect for Eddie. I wouldn't make those guesses. However, I would have no clue what to guess. Art (only because it runs around $100)? Sounds great otherwise. No real guesses to anything else.
 
Still need your guess on the multi track and the mixdown medium too! :D

No freakin' way I am gonna give this one away. This one always shuts the gear snobs up. I wanna hear the guess's because in the past when I have just asked "what was used", the guess's were WAY off the mark. I am giving hints just by saying it was cheap gear!

Hint. Almost EVERYTHING used in this production is pretty cheap shit, or considered not really usable for big time recordings. (oh, don't think I am trying to put this up against the best of the best. I HEAR where the gear failed me in this production! But, when compared to an average major label release, it is more about performance and songwriting issue differences than the actual sound quality! This gear pulled off the job just fine....better performances, source sounds, and admittedly, a more experienced mixing engineer could have made this even better....and I wasn't very happy with the way it was mastered either....wish we could have afforded Bernie Grundman...but we got this mastered at 1/10th his price!!!)

Eddie
 
Ed,

Tell me if I'm just hearing things or I'm insane, but do I detect a bit of distortion on the vocal and some of the guitar parts? Not sure what may be causing this...Maybe a compression artifact or something in the signal chain was overloading?

I'm not going to venture any guesses on the equipment, as I agree with you that it doesn't mean squat if you know your equipment (and it's limitations), and are proficient at using it.

Technique has a lot more to do with a great recording/mix than how much money you spend on gear.
 
I'll guess

-ART preamps
-Soundcraft mixdown deck
-ADAT multitracks
-mixdown to DAT
-dbx compressors
-Alesis Quadraverb for effects
 
I won't guess because I really don't know what I'm talking about really. Oh, .... here's my only guess: there's too much reverb on vocals and brass section? ... ;) ... but other than that: this band ROCKS ... I love that brass section (trumps and sax). Great guys/girls. Yes, and I wish I could get a sound like that in my homestudio. I'm afraid though my neighbours would pre-emptively shoot when they see such a band walk in my flat with all their gear.

Thanks for your song Sonus, it's shown me what I expected (and hoped) to hear. That indeed the talent of the musicians and the musical idea are not second to the rec/mixing equipment.

I dig the song and mix.
 
I dont know. You worry about recording at 96k, having the whole studio done with monster cable (1000s) and you use $100 art pres. Although the track sounds good, the mixing is really thorough and even, the tone is killer, the horns, organ, vocals and drums are all in balance,,,the band is pro,, Im gonna go out on a limb here and say that it has a smallness that probably wouldnt be there had better pres been used. [please dont hurt me :) ] The overall mix doesnt sound very compressed and that probably contributes to that. It has a really nice sense of openess and space, the detail is great but it sounds like some bottom was sacrificed in the interest of maintaining that openess.

All I know is the dif bet my mixes using mostly DMP2s vs mostly mindprint and soundcraft M series pres and some other stuff in that range and thats not even such a big jump in $$.
 
I am going to go out on a limb and guess at some of this stuff probably come up way off the mark,so please don't shoot me.

Mic preamps,I will say something by ART? not really into preamps much since I have been using the ones in my yamaha board for the last 6 yrs. and they work just fine for me.

Compressors? dbx 160's

multitrack media? blackface adats

mixdown deck? 1/2" analog

effects processors? I have no clue!

Really enjoyed the song and mix,thought the band and recording stacks up well against 90% of the stuff I hear in the commercial market.Good job!
 
behringer compressors composer pro, autocom, multicom

fx from your quadreverb 2

mix down to your standalone 630 or maybe piped back into your pc done on your plextor cdrw using onboard daw software?

was your alesis studio 32 involved anywhere in this equation

i must admit i know ed has some of this gear so my guess was only that he used some of this stuff as well


I think in the end Ed has rubbed our noses in it well and trully
He also told me many many times to get of the gear trail and not untill only recently have i heeded his advice most of us dont have the skill the ears or the years to back us up here debate all we want no amount of gear is gonna give us magic from where we stand only we can do that by what we are willing to learn and how creative we are with what we have i think Ed,s example is a fine one of what can be done and achieved with restricitions on gear/time/budget /etc he still gets results and it isnt the gear holding him up either....................... a lesson in learning for us all
 
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