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chessrock
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And because he's trying to sell a lot of it. 
Speeddemon
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Tom, if you can choose between a $79 Audiobuddy or a $120 ART Tube MP as your only and therefore main pre-amp, what would YOU choose?Tom Cram said:>to get the best value for money (not the dbx stuff..) and so. Without this, people would have bought tons of VC6Q's, dbx 376's, Art tube mp's etc.<
What? Are you posting to the correct thread? You seem to have missed the point entirely. Are you really dismissing this gear because of what Chessrock posted?Did you miss Ed's post? Buh? Wuh? Unh?
Tom Cram
That's my point. Because of this board and others, I NOW know about the Audiobuddy...If I hadn't, I may have gotten a used Focusrite Green, because some stores still have their posters on the walls, and as a newbie, I only knew Focusrite as a mic pre-builder, but that was years ago.
Now I know what's in the market a bit better, and I'll be checking:
- DMP-3
- Joemeek VC1Q
- Drawmer MX60
- Mindprint Envoice
If I don't hear much difference, I'll go for the DMP-3. the cheapest... If I DO hear positive difference, then most of the points in this thread are unvalid for me, and I'll buy a VC1Q.
But with time, my knowledge will grow.
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mcr
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may you be blessed in your choice ... and I in mine (JM VC1Qs)
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mcr
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I wish I already had it - I'd be reaaaally nice to it.
Though I haven't bought it yet, I've already left the preamp topic behind me and have "pondered" off to new choices and insecurities
Whichever channel-strip I choose, I knew I'd have to get an RNC on top of it (... if not, I'd be living with constant lust). So, whatever other comp I get should not try to compete with the RNC's cleanness. That left me with a choice between a tube-saturation knob gimmick (Envoice, MX-60) or some unique opto-compression a la Joemeek. I can get the Joemeek and an RNC together for less than $600 which is about the money I would spend on an Envoice alone.
Now, to fully satisfy my current need/urge and tube curiosity, I'd like to hear the SP VTB-1 since it promises to offer a clean preamp and the optional tube gimmick. And even without the latter, the VTB-1 should be at least as good as the DMP3 (so I reckon )
I'm currently in England but will be moving to NY in July ... hence, I'm in no rush to buy stuff (except for maybe the stupid RME Multiface which is on a 3-month backorder. Apart from that, I've got a lot of time to change my opinion twice 'n down-under.
Man, the JM green is so ugly it's already beautiful again
Though I haven't bought it yet, I've already left the preamp topic behind me and have "pondered" off to new choices and insecurities
Whichever channel-strip I choose, I knew I'd have to get an RNC on top of it (... if not, I'd be living with constant lust). So, whatever other comp I get should not try to compete with the RNC's cleanness. That left me with a choice between a tube-saturation knob gimmick (Envoice, MX-60) or some unique opto-compression a la Joemeek. I can get the Joemeek and an RNC together for less than $600 which is about the money I would spend on an Envoice alone.
Now, to fully satisfy my current need/urge and tube curiosity, I'd like to hear the SP VTB-1 since it promises to offer a clean preamp and the optional tube gimmick. And even without the latter, the VTB-1 should be at least as good as the DMP3 (so I reckon
)I'm currently in England but will be moving to NY in July ... hence, I'm in no rush to buy stuff (except for maybe the stupid RME Multiface which is on a 3-month backorder. Apart from that, I've got a lot of time to change my opinion twice 'n down-under.
Man, the JM green is so ugly it's already beautiful again
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trebles
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guys go back to the start of this thread read it all again and think about its message.
The message i got was use what gear you have to create and learn once you use basic gear and can create good recordings you then know your ready to do something more with what you have learnt but if all you are doing is creating shopping lists to fill your lust for gear then in the end without the knowledge or desire to trully learn and create with this gear you too will be headed for ebay where you can sell your gear and losse your money once again "a fool and their money part company quickly?"
People are sometimes fooled into thinking they need rooms full of equipment when in fact all they really need is basic equipment to start them off and the desire to learn how to use this equipment
I think its hard for new people in here they come in here and see all these posts about gear then suddenly think hey i need it all too to create the sounds in my head when in fact they need to be reading more about how its all done rather then how many mics they need or what the next best mic pre.
Look its simple decide how you want to record some like tape some like computer some like all in one units like the roland boss digital type recorders.
Eg if you decided hey id rather start with a 4 track which is a very wise move in my opionion look at getting yourself a little tascam414 mkll or mklll multitrack unit add to that some of the value for money mics they talk about on bbs like the shure sm57,
an mxl 603s maybe a mxl v67m or g and a atm25 now im sure you could do it on less as well but this is a good starting point
Id also look into a good di box as well like the countrymen type85
This is a very nice d i box indeed
you may want an r n c compressor and a Behringer composer pro
a multifx unit like a Roland srv 3030 a few patchbays with patchlead some sturdy mic stands and good quality mic leads
If you must still buy a mic pre id look at the art studio mp at 99 dollars the basic art mp is 79 dollars same price as your audio buddy or you may want your dmp3 or wait for the fmr audio rnmp really nice mic pre but any further then the above without knowledge and your throwing away your money.
Some may even say my list is a lil over the top for a beginer but i feel if you must have gear this is at least a safe way to do it so you have something to start learning on
Look what Ed did with what he had that example should have by now shown everyone that knowledge and know how will take you much further then rooms full of gear
Learn about correct mic application and mic placement and why you choose certain mics to do certain jobs see with learning how its done you have a more clear picture of what you really need i now wish i had gone down this route myself to begin with but at least now ive also learnt
do yourself the favour and learn how spend your time asking the pros how things work rather then if this mic is better then that or whats the next this vs that poll rememember if your new asking is good just try and ask things which will increase learning rather then learning how to spend more money then you need to at this stage.
The message i got was use what gear you have to create and learn once you use basic gear and can create good recordings you then know your ready to do something more with what you have learnt but if all you are doing is creating shopping lists to fill your lust for gear then in the end without the knowledge or desire to trully learn and create with this gear you too will be headed for ebay where you can sell your gear and losse your money once again "a fool and their money part company quickly?"
People are sometimes fooled into thinking they need rooms full of equipment when in fact all they really need is basic equipment to start them off and the desire to learn how to use this equipment
I think its hard for new people in here they come in here and see all these posts about gear then suddenly think hey i need it all too to create the sounds in my head when in fact they need to be reading more about how its all done rather then how many mics they need or what the next best mic pre.
Look its simple decide how you want to record some like tape some like computer some like all in one units like the roland boss digital type recorders.
Eg if you decided hey id rather start with a 4 track which is a very wise move in my opionion look at getting yourself a little tascam414 mkll or mklll multitrack unit add to that some of the value for money mics they talk about on bbs like the shure sm57,
an mxl 603s maybe a mxl v67m or g and a atm25 now im sure you could do it on less as well but this is a good starting point
Id also look into a good di box as well like the countrymen type85
This is a very nice d i box indeed
you may want an r n c compressor and a Behringer composer pro
a multifx unit like a Roland srv 3030 a few patchbays with patchlead some sturdy mic stands and good quality mic leads
If you must still buy a mic pre id look at the art studio mp at 99 dollars the basic art mp is 79 dollars same price as your audio buddy or you may want your dmp3 or wait for the fmr audio rnmp really nice mic pre but any further then the above without knowledge and your throwing away your money.
Some may even say my list is a lil over the top for a beginer but i feel if you must have gear this is at least a safe way to do it so you have something to start learning on
Look what Ed did with what he had that example should have by now shown everyone that knowledge and know how will take you much further then rooms full of gear
Learn about correct mic application and mic placement and why you choose certain mics to do certain jobs see with learning how its done you have a more clear picture of what you really need i now wish i had gone down this route myself to begin with but at least now ive also learnt
do yourself the favour and learn how spend your time asking the pros how things work rather then if this mic is better then that or whats the next this vs that poll rememember if your new asking is good just try and ask things which will increase learning rather then learning how to spend more money then you need to at this stage.
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trebles
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typo grrrrrr remember hehe
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trebles
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heres some great tips on 4 track recording by Harvey Gerst
essp good if you want to go the 4 track route as described above
http://www.itrstudio.com/4-track.html
essp good if you want to go the 4 track route as described above
http://www.itrstudio.com/4-track.html
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mcr
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I don't agree. For professional recordings you need at least a 6 track ...
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Harvey Gerst
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What don't you agree about? On my page, I show people how to get 10 tracks out of a 4 track machine with only one generation of loss from track bouncing. I've done many "professional" recordings with that method, and I've done great recordings using just a two track machine - on all kinds of music.
A good 4 track 1/2" machine and a good board in a good room with great musicians can be a wonderful sound. A lot of hit records were made that way.
A good 4 track 1/2" machine and a good board in a good room with great musicians can be a wonderful sound. A lot of hit records were made that way.
Speeddemon
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Trebles
I think what you said, was half-way already said by me and Randy Yell.
Right now, I'm at a point where I think I need something better than the pre's in my Korg D16. When you are directly recording a guitar or bass or drumcomp, they're o.k., but when you want to record a not too loud amp in a bedroom with a dynamic mic, you have to crank the gain up to -50/-55 dBv, and then they ARE noisy!
And because I like big ass VU-meters, I'm checking the DMP-3 and the Meek VC1Q this summer. Then I should have a nice 3 channels of good clean gain, with the optional coloring with the Meek. And besides, I need them, because on my Korg D16 I only have 2 XLR-inputs, the rest are TRS jacks. I do have 3 balanced XLR-to-TRSjack-plugs, but still, I need quieter gain.
My bedroomstudio is in an attic, so I may need extra grounding for my synth and my guitar amp. But because limitations create creativity (very important rule in homerecording, especially when it comes to improvising mic stands... ) I made some very decent direct guitarsounds out of my GT-3. SO I can record at 1 am, without my neighbours getting upset. And their 5 pieces of K9.
I think what you said, was half-way already said by me and Randy Yell.
Right now, I'm at a point where I think I need something better than the pre's in my Korg D16. When you are directly recording a guitar or bass or drumcomp, they're o.k., but when you want to record a not too loud amp in a bedroom with a dynamic mic, you have to crank the gain up to -50/-55 dBv, and then they ARE noisy!
And because I like big ass VU-meters, I'm checking the DMP-3 and the Meek VC1Q this summer. Then I should have a nice 3 channels of good clean gain, with the optional coloring with the Meek. And besides, I need them, because on my Korg D16 I only have 2 XLR-inputs, the rest are TRS jacks. I do have 3 balanced XLR-to-TRSjack-plugs, but still, I need quieter gain.
My bedroomstudio is in an attic, so I may need extra grounding for my synth and my guitar amp. But because limitations create creativity (very important rule in homerecording, especially when it comes to improvising mic stands...
) I made some very decent direct guitarsounds out of my GT-3. SO I can record at 1 am, without my neighbours getting upset. And their 5 pieces of K9.
Speeddemon
New member
Ed, did you read this?..
I posted this earlier, but I didn't get an answer yet. Can someone give me advice/a decent opinion about my possible buy's?
Speeddemon said:
I posted this earlier, but I didn't get an answer yet. Can someone give me advice/a decent opinion about my possible buy's?
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mcr
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sorry Harvey, I was just being an ass ...
Speeddemon
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*Bump*
Ed (and other knowledgables...), can you please respond to my 2 posts above MCr's?
Ed (and other knowledgables...), can you please respond to my 2 posts above MCr's?
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Dan Kennedy
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Hi all y'all,
I'm fresh to this site, and I appreciate the warm fuzzies expressed by some, and the wondering what the hell it's all about by others.
The Great River stuff is real simple. It does what I wanted it do when I was done designing it. That includes lots of things like low noise, wide bandwitdth, clean, clean signal handling.
Then I moved from 2" to digital and realized that with the media change almost all of my preconceptions of what I needed changed too.
One reason GRE hasn't made a single channel pre for under $1K is that our cost of manufacturing was too high. A big part of the original MP-2 series is hand wired and unwiring one channel just didn't make any sense.
Believe me, GRE is not a "big" company or not unresponsive. If you call, chances are I will answer the phone, if I'm not cleaning the john. But we gotta make money.
I quit doing this music shit a long time ago for free. When Prince called me back when Paisley was being built and wanted to know what I needed to come over and join his crew I told him.
I never heard back, but Sal asked me if I had any opennings.
Good preamps don't help lousy guitar players, bedroom studios or the truly inept, but they do help once you have sorted out the basics.
After all, I spent a two years designing the MP-2 because neither a Neotek, an MCI, a Trident 80C, or a TransAmp was doing what I wanted it to do.
If you ever want to talk no BS preamp feel free to call me, I'm in the book.
I'm fresh to this site, and I appreciate the warm fuzzies expressed by some, and the wondering what the hell it's all about by others.
The Great River stuff is real simple. It does what I wanted it do when I was done designing it. That includes lots of things like low noise, wide bandwitdth, clean, clean signal handling.
Then I moved from 2" to digital and realized that with the media change almost all of my preconceptions of what I needed changed too.
One reason GRE hasn't made a single channel pre for under $1K is that our cost of manufacturing was too high. A big part of the original MP-2 series is hand wired and unwiring one channel just didn't make any sense.
Believe me, GRE is not a "big" company or not unresponsive. If you call, chances are I will answer the phone, if I'm not cleaning the john. But we gotta make money.
I quit doing this music shit a long time ago for free. When Prince called me back when Paisley was being built and wanted to know what I needed to come over and join his crew I told him.
I never heard back, but Sal asked me if I had any opennings.
Good preamps don't help lousy guitar players, bedroom studios or the truly inept, but they do help once you have sorted out the basics.
After all, I spent a two years designing the MP-2 because neither a Neotek, an MCI, a Trident 80C, or a TransAmp was doing what I wanted it to do.
If you ever want to talk no BS preamp feel free to call me, I'm in the book.
Dolemite
New member
cool!
Welcome to the forum, Dan! Its always refreshing to have an expert opinion in amongst our babbling.
Welcome to the forum, Dan! Its always refreshing to have an expert opinion in amongst our babbling.
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mcr
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Dan, I'm not sure I can trust your opinion - afterall, it was only your first post ... haha
No serious, this board benefits a lot from people like you who know what thei're talking about. You'll meet a lot of people here who're willing to listen.
welcome ....
No serious, this board benefits a lot from people like you who know what thei're talking about. You'll meet a lot of people here who're willing to listen.
welcome ....
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chessrock
Banned
Dan, welcome aboard.
Thanks so much for jumping in. So what you're saying is a 1-channel wouldn't really be any cheaper (or at least not cheap enough to justify) than the 2-channel?
I guess I can understand where you're coming from on that. Would that still apply though, if you were to really scale it down to just the basics? I'm talking just a box that has a knob on it that says "Gain." lol. I'll be your marketing guy on this one, okay? We'll call it "The Volume Knob" by Great River.
It's too bad, because I see a very large market gearing up to gobble something like that right up. You're not going to let Mark McQuilken nab it all for himself are you? !
This is really cool that you chimed in. Stop by any time, Dan! (If you think you can handle us)
Thanks so much for jumping in. So what you're saying is a 1-channel wouldn't really be any cheaper (or at least not cheap enough to justify) than the 2-channel?
I guess I can understand where you're coming from on that. Would that still apply though, if you were to really scale it down to just the basics? I'm talking just a box that has a knob on it that says "Gain."
lol. I'll be your marketing guy on this one, okay? We'll call it "The Volume Knob" by Great River.It's too bad, because I see a very large market gearing up to gobble something like that right up. You're not going to let Mark McQuilken nab it all for himself are you? !
This is really cool that you chimed in. Stop by any time, Dan! (If you think you can handle us)
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Dan Kennedy
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In reality the equation has changed a bit with the MP-2NV, and I am seriously considering issuing a single channel version.
It'll most likely be in an extruded box, much like the Apogee stuff, and to be truly affordable will have a line lump type power supply.
I don't think I can put enough power supply that close to the audio circuits without noise problems, although I am exploring a switching supply solution.
My biggest issue is not compromising the performance..
It'll most likely be in an extruded box, much like the Apogee stuff, and to be truly affordable will have a line lump type power supply.
I don't think I can put enough power supply that close to the audio circuits without noise problems, although I am exploring a switching supply solution.
My biggest issue is not compromising the performance..
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chessrock
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Now we're talking, Dan!