mic clips

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you cats use em?
i've read never to use em for recording, but my kit is a nightmare of gooseneck extensions right now. looks like something out of a Dr Suess book. please advise. :)
 
Naw I have the space and around 16 mic stands so I sold them. Good for live stuff though, I didn't like the restrictiveness of where you could point the mics.
 
guess i'll give it a shot. i've just read in so many places not to do this and that it picks up vibrations from the rim etc.

but my 4pc's footprint is just ridiculous for such a small room, plus i have to put my crash way high so it doesn't hit the 57 on the rack tom...
 
Forget what you read. Try em for yourself and see. I don't have any problems with rim clips.
 
Good for live use, but if you have the room in your studio, use stands.

Useful to have around for sure though.
 
probably a little of both. the capsules are like an inch past the edge of the rim now, whereas they were outside the rim before maybe a couple inches back. now i get better separation, a shitload more gain, and the overall sound seems boomier (?).

jury's still out whether i like it or not because my toms sound like ass even though i've read your drum tuning sticky about 8 times.
 
probably a little of both. the capsules are like an inch past the edge of the rim now, whereas they were outside the rim before maybe a couple inches back. now i get better separation, a shitload more gain, and the overall sound seems boomier (?).

jury's still out whether i like it or not because my toms sound like ass even though i've read your drum tuning sticky about 8 times.

That's what I suspected. I've always thought that rim clips got a bad rap because of the positioning of the mic, not vibrations. Tiny movements make a huge difference with close drum mics. When you go from a stand to a rim clip, it's usually a pretty significant difference in sound. It freaks a lot of people out and they immediately hate the rim clips. The actual vibration transferred to the capsule is negligible, and if the clips have rubber mounts, it's probably not even happening at all.

There's three things you need to play with to dial them in (this is assuming the drum is tuned well):
1) Angle. Play with where the mic is pointed. I like mine pointed about halfway between the center and rim.
2) Height. Higher will give you a less focused, more natural sound. Close will be very tight and focused with lots of overtones. I like mine as high as my clips will go.
3) Distance from the center. This is where most clips fall short. Most clips allow you to move the mic towards the center of the head, or close to the rim, but rarely will they get the capsule outside of the rim, and that can be a problem sometimes.

To me, the only advantage a mic stand has over a rim clip is the ability to make infinite adjustments, but they take up a shitload of space, so it's a trade off. Some mics won't even fit into rim clips. Fortunately, tom mics aren't that critical, so pretty much any dynamic mic will be fine.
 
1) Angle. Play with where the mic is pointed. I like mine pointed about halfway between the center and rim.
2) Height. Higher will give you a less focused, more natural sound. Close will be very tight and focused with lots of overtones. I like mine as high as my clips will go.
3) Distance from the center. This is where most clips fall short. Most clips allow you to move the mic towards the center of the head, or close to the rim, but rarely will they get the capsule outside of the rim, and that can be a problem sometimes.

it might benefit me to look into some new clips too. the ones i'm using came with the Shure DMK5752 pack and they put the pivot point maybe an inch over the rim so i'm pretty limited with angular adjustments. if the mic isn't completely parallel to the head, there's just the tiniest bit of playroom before it's actually TOUCHING the head. i'll probably look into the rubber mounts while i'm at it. also do you use a clip on your snare mic?

sorry to be a PITA but you get such a slick sound on your stuff so i usually pay attention when you talk drums.
 
I use rim clips live all the time. I've use them in the studio with acceptable results. On some occasions I did get some minor vibration noise through the mics - but that could normally be corrected with adjusted placement.

That being said - in the studio, I prefer mic stands if the space allows it. As with any instrument, mic placement can make a world of difference - and in general, use of stands provides more placement options and the mics and be moved around move quickly than removing and replacing rim clips.
 
i think most folks here are gonna say "use stands if you've got the space" but my music room is about 10'x13' and i've got a buncha guitars and amps too. i'm more looking for workarounds. i switched my toms to clips and so far the biggest problems with my drum tracks are in my playing.
 
i think most folks here are gonna say "use stands if you've got the space" but my music room is about 10'x13' and i've got a buncha guitars and amps too. i'm more looking for workarounds. i switched my toms to clips and so far the biggest problems with my drum tracks are in my playing.

Lol. There ya go. There's nothing wrong with clips. Like mentioned already, their only real drawback is limited positioning.
 
Greg's right I've heard allot of people give the drum clips a bad rap because of supposed vibration, buts its really all in the clips you use like greg said. If they're metal then or solid plastic then you might hear the vibrations.
 
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