ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Yeah send us a sample link please.
What guitar, amp, pre-amp, mics, distortion did you use?
Cheers,
Eck
Yeah send us a sample link please.
What guitar, amp, pre-amp, mics, distortion did you use?
Cheers,
Eck
JPXTom
New member
I used an Epiphone Les Paul Custom into a Line 6 Spider II, set on Crunch, into a Park G412A(G12L-35 Celestions) into a Behringer Xeynx 2222. I increased the higher mids, for a bit of a stronger tone..its not perfect, but its better than most guitars ive recorded.
Heres the sample:
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Cool.
Cheers man.
Eck
Cheers man.
Eck
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chessrock
Banned
Of course it does. The only problem is that ... if your amp has some harshness in the high mids, and you try and compensate for that through mic selection or EQ ... then you'll wind up missing out on that "upfront" quality you're looking for. It will sound smoother, yea, but dampened and pushed back at the same time. Just trading one problem for another.
The only "good" solution to your problem is to use an amp that sounds bitchin' in the first place. As hard of a pill as that might be to swallow. You will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ... hear a "good" good guitar track that didn't originate that way from the source. It's just a very simple but universal concept that you can try to work around ... only to find that you're merely trading one problem for another unitil you take that dive and learn how to make a guitar amp sound good from it's origin.
Once you reach that point, you can basically use whatever mic you want, and still find it very difficult to get a "bad" sound, no matter what you do.
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ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Yeah I guess your right Chessrock.
We have a Marshall JCM2000 DSL50 and a Mesa dual rectifier.
Id expect to get pro sounding results from these amps, but I'm not getting them.
Could you take a listen to the guitar samples I posted a earlier to see what you think I might be doing wrong?
I know the JCM2000s are meant to be a bit harsh compared to the JCM800s but I'm sure I should be able to get round this somehow. Im going to get a set of Vintage 30 speakers for my cabinet which I expect to make an improvement to my Marshall.
My amp distortion sounds soo fekin muddy I never use it. Sounds minging and cheap, not like an amp that price should sound in my opinion.
Cheers,
Eck
We have a Marshall JCM2000 DSL50 and a Mesa dual rectifier.
Id expect to get pro sounding results from these amps, but I'm not getting them.
Could you take a listen to the guitar samples I posted a earlier to see what you think I might be doing wrong?
I know the JCM2000s are meant to be a bit harsh compared to the JCM800s but I'm sure I should be able to get round this somehow. Im going to get a set of Vintage 30 speakers for my cabinet which I expect to make an improvement to my Marshall.
My amp distortion sounds soo fekin muddy I never use it. Sounds minging and cheap, not like an amp that price should sound in my opinion.
Cheers,
Eck
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chessrock
Banned
What kind of power tubes are you using on the Mesa? EL34? 6L6?
The vintage 30 greenbacks will make a big difference with the Marshall. The 2000 series is kind of well noted for having stuck the cheapest piece of crap speakers in them ... and then charging the unsuspecting public an arm and a leg for it.
The vintage 30 greenbacks will make a big difference with the Marshall. The 2000 series is kind of well noted for having stuck the cheapest piece of crap speakers in them ... and then charging the unsuspecting public an arm and a leg for it.
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chessrock
Banned
A few more thoughts on this ... 
At least from my experience, neither of the amps you mention are ever really going to deliver the goods until you crank the volume past 5 or 6. Which is likely to get you evicted or arrested, depending on your living situation.
Assuming that this isn't an issue, the next thing you should be looking at are the power tubes ... followed by the speakers, as you alluded to.
A pair of vintage 30s have the capability of delivering a very smooth tone, even at very high gains and volume levels ... while remaining clean and upfront. Similarly, I tend to favor EL34 power tubes whenever possible ... if your goal is to have the whole smooth hi-midrange thing. 6L6s might give you a more modern tone, but have that capability of ripping your ears off in the right situation.
I guess the moral is to be very thoughtful in your selection of tubes and speakers, because they will have an enormous effect on the sound.
At the proper volumes (read: loud) ... and with the proper tweaking, there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to get a very good sound out of either of the amps at your disposal. Granted, I would certainly tend to favor the 2000 for more of a classic rock tone, and the Mesa for a more modern thrashy kinda' thing ... but between the two, you should have your bases covered, again with the proper tweaking.
If all else fails, find someone in your area -- a professional technician -- who modifies amps, and tell him what kind of tone you're looking for, and solicit his opinion and see if there's anything he can do for you. Keep in mind that most of the really good recorded guitar tones in history have come from heavily tweaked amps. That's just the way it is.
What I found myself doing at one point in time was watching a lot of local live acts, and when I heard a guitar tone I really liked, I would wait until after the show and ask the guitar player how he got it ... and usually they would throw out the name of a local technician who helped them tweak it or whatever. It's very common.
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At least from my experience, neither of the amps you mention are ever really going to deliver the goods until you crank the volume past 5 or 6. Which is likely to get you evicted or arrested, depending on your living situation.
Assuming that this isn't an issue, the next thing you should be looking at are the power tubes ... followed by the speakers, as you alluded to.
A pair of vintage 30s have the capability of delivering a very smooth tone, even at very high gains and volume levels ... while remaining clean and upfront. Similarly, I tend to favor EL34 power tubes whenever possible ... if your goal is to have the whole smooth hi-midrange thing. 6L6s might give you a more modern tone, but have that capability of ripping your ears off in the right situation.
I guess the moral is to be very thoughtful in your selection of tubes and speakers, because they will have an enormous effect on the sound.
At the proper volumes (read: loud) ... and with the proper tweaking, there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to get a very good sound out of either of the amps at your disposal. Granted, I would certainly tend to favor the 2000 for more of a classic rock tone, and the Mesa for a more modern thrashy kinda' thing ... but between the two, you should have your bases covered, again with the proper tweaking.
If all else fails, find someone in your area -- a professional technician -- who modifies amps, and tell him what kind of tone you're looking for, and solicit his opinion and see if there's anything he can do for you. Keep in mind that most of the really good recorded guitar tones in history have come from heavily tweaked amps.
That's just the way it is. What I found myself doing at one point in time was watching a lot of local live acts, and when I heard a guitar tone I really liked, I would wait until after the show and ask the guitar player how he got it ... and usually they would throw out the name of a local technician who helped them tweak it or whatever. It's very common.
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ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Im sure these are the tubes in the Mesa. 4x6L6, 5x12AX7, 2x5U4.
Thats great news, cheers.
I always thought there was something up with my speakers in my cab from day 1. The are really muddy and have a distorted low end which is pretty noticeable when playing clean guitar.
Eck
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Great advice again Chessrock.
Really apreciate it.
We can be as loud as we want in our studio pretty much.
We do tend to boost the amps to just under practice levels when recording ,which is pretty loud! The mesa boogie has never been past 3. Its stupidly loud. at 10 I could guarantee it would burst our ears to fek!
Yeah the 6L6s (if thats whats in the mesa) can have a real bite to them in the high mids. Quite NU-metal style tones can be produced pretty well with the mesa.
My Marshall on its own cant produce shit, but with a Boss GT6 I get ok results, but nothing like what I'm striving for.
Cheers,
Eck
Really apreciate it.
We can be as loud as we want in our studio pretty much.
We do tend to boost the amps to just under practice levels when recording ,which is pretty loud! The mesa boogie has never been past 3. Its stupidly loud. at 10 I could guarantee it would burst our ears to fek!
Yeah the 6L6s (if thats whats in the mesa) can have a real bite to them in the high mids. Quite NU-metal style tones can be produced pretty well with the mesa.
My Marshall on its own cant produce shit, but with a Boss GT6 I get ok results, but nothing like what I'm striving for.
Cheers,
Eck
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Ironklad Audio
New member
no shit...i played a show a couple years ago with a triple rectifier while my amp was on the fritz, and holy fuck...i could only stand to turn that thing up to about 2.5 onstage
i'm wondering if they actually get louder as the master goes up beyond that, or if the speakers and tubes begin to just saturate to hell
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matiss
New member
Amen, I'm playing triple rec and that's about as loud as I can stand it if I have to stand in front of it onstage
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Heres a sample of my best distorted guitar recording in a mix.
This was done using only the Mesa mic'd with Shure MKIII and Beta 52A into 1 channel.
http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=8216
Let us know how bad it is.
Eck
This was done using only the Mesa mic'd with Shure MKIII and Beta 52A into 1 channel.
http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=8216
Let us know how bad it is.
Eck