Merry Christmas from Greg and his little demon elves

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Dude!!! That is awesome!!!! Really really great!!!! I got nothing, except awesome!!!!
 
dont blame you for leaving it !!! it IS really good :)

"I don't know about "quantizing" the drums though. They're real. " < you can quantize audio clips... and also nick the feel off any track... i.e take the feel off say "issac hayes shaft" and apply it to your merry christmass track !!

(in cakewalk its "groove quantize")
 
You definitely DON'T want to quantize the drums. This is a punk/rock song. Who cares if something is a nano-second off???? It's not a techno track. It's pefect the way it is. Plus, on December 26th, it won't matter anyway.:D
 
Lol. Thanks Rami and cakewalk. :)

I still don't get the whole quantize thing.
 
Lol. How would you quantize acoustic drums anyway? It seems like it would sound really unnatural.
 
Greg_L said:
Lol. How would you quantize acoustic drums anyway? It seems like it would sound really unnatural.
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It would be a stupid thing to do. You play acoustic drums because they sound natural. A big part of sounding natural is not being "perfect" like a machine. If a part is really off, you re-track it. Or else, buy a drum machine and quantize to your heart's delight.
 
RAMI said:
It would be a stupid thing to do. You play acoustic drums because they sound natural. A big part of sounding natural is not being "perfect" like a machine. If a part is really off, you re-track it. Or else, buy a drum machine and quantize to your heart's delight.
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Yeah that's usually my biggest gripe with programmed drum samples or machines. I understand that not everyone can play/record an actual kit for whatever reasons, but fake drums usually end up sounding unnatural and robot-like. No one hits a snare exactly the same way every single time, and cymbals aren't naturally panned super wide from ear to ear. The people that take the time to "humanize" their fake drums by slightly altering velocites and timing usually end up with the best results. That would be like anti-quantizing. :D
 
"(quantize the drums at 00:33) <<< only thing that stands out..." <<<<<<< there`s 3 mistakes which you can correct using quantizing.....

with live recorded music the timing is never perfect..

in pc recording software using a metroGnome, the beat is exactly intime, always falling bang on 1 2 3 4... (sterile mistake with most home recordings)

the human factor is what gives a "piece" its life (like when i said you "captured the fun".. and "fantastic feel"((which you`ve done perfectly)))

if you look at the time grid and lay it out flat (compared with the metroGnome) youd see that the human events fall around the beat...

quantizing takes the human events and "tidy`s" them up (bringing them closer to the bang-on-time metroGnome) ((how near or far from the beat 1 2 3 4 depends on the strengh of your quantize settings))...

if you looked at say "issac hayes shaft" and laid it out flat (against the metroGnome) youd see that the beats dont fall on the 1 2 3 4 grid ...now if you nail the peaks/beats (photgraph exactly where they land).. this gives you a timing reference/rule you can apply to any audio/midi track


so :-
you can nick the timing/feel off anything (say a hiphop breakbeat that caught your ear) (nextdoors lawnmower on tickover) and apply it to any audio/midi track

i love shaft btw great feel


what im getting at is you can KEEP the human feel.. but you can also tidy up any mistakes

edit:- oh .... you can also take a snapshot of your drums later in the song and apply the timemap to fix the mistakes at 00:33
 
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


I've pissed off enough people lately with my brutal honesty, so I'll let someone else take this one.

Greg, the tune was awesome. I'll see you in another thread. :)





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ok Greg i got what you use the Guitar Rig
It's Amazing

but i was wondering how you stop your main program from blocking out Guitar Rig
i use Alberton Live and wheni open alberton and use guitar rig as a plugin it won't pick up my guitar on guitar rig just on alberton

if you or anyone else knows how to fix this that would be great

Thanks
 
valvoya said:
ok Greg i got what you use the Guitar Rig
It's Amazing

but i was wondering how you stop your main program from blocking out Guitar Rig
i use Alberton Live and wheni open alberton and use guitar rig as a plugin it won't pick up my guitar on guitar rig just on alberton

if you or anyone else knows how to fix this that would be great

Thanks
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I use Guitar Rig as a vst plug-in. I apply it as an effect just like a reverb or compressor or whatever. If you monitor direct, you can hear your guitar through Guitar Rig as you play it, even though you're recording a raw signal. Then if you're happy with the sound, you can apply Guitar Rig to the track permanently and turn GR off.
 
Greg_L said:
I use Guitar Rig as a vst plug-in. I apply it as an effect just like a reverb or compressor or whatever. If you monitor direct, you can hear your guitar through Guitar Rig as you play it, even though you're recording a raw signal. Then if you're happy with the sound, you can apply Guitar Rig to the track permanently and turn GR off.
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what do you mean monitor direct?
 
cakewalkKaKed said:
"(quantize the drums at 00:33) <<< only thing that stands out..." <<<<<<< there`s 3 mistakes which you can correct using quantizing.....

with live recorded music the timing is never perfect..

in pc recording software using a metroGnome, the beat is exactly intime, always falling bang on 1 2 3 4... (sterile mistake with most home recordings)

the human factor is what gives a "piece" its life (like when i said you "captured the fun".. and "fantastic feel"((which you`ve done perfectly)))

if you look at the time grid and lay it out flat (compared with the metroGnome) youd see that the human events fall around the beat...

quantizing takes the human events and "tidy`s" them up (bringing them closer to the bang-on-time metroGnome) ((how near or far from the beat 1 2 3 4 depends on the strengh of your quantize settings))...

if you looked at say "issac hayes shaft" and laid it out flat (against the metroGnome) youd see that the beats dont fall on the 1 2 3 4 grid ...now if you nail the peaks/beats (photgraph exactly where they land).. this gives you a timing reference/rule you can apply to any audio/midi track


so :-
you can nick the timing/feel off anything (say a hiphop breakbeat that caught your ear) (nextdoors lawnmower on tickover) and apply it to any audio/midi track

i love shaft btw great feel


what im getting at is you can KEEP the human feel.. but you can also tidy up any mistakes

edit:- oh .... you can also take a snapshot of your drums later in the song and apply the timemap to fix the mistakes at 00:33
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Well thanks for the info and time, but I'm really not getting into all that. I'm pretty happy with the drums. The timing doesn't seem bad enough to me for me to go learning new tricks. ;)

I do sincerely appreciate your comments though.
 
valvoya said:
what do you mean monitor direct?
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I'm not sure. :D

You listen to what you're playing through whatever effects you have on the track.

Say you're recording a plain ol acoustic guitar. And on that track, you have a compressor and some chorus as effects. Direct monitoring would mean that as you play, you are hearing your acoustic guitar after it's been through those effects instead of hearing the raw guitar sound. I think so anyway.
 
Thats what i thought but live isn't letting it go through Guitar rig
it just bypasses is when i put it as a plugin
 
umm i think i get what your saying like you have to use guitar rig and make your own presets and use the presets in your main software??
 
valvoya said:
Thats what i thought but live isn't letting it go through Guitar rig
it just bypasses is when i put it as a plugin
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Somewhere on your tracks control panel is gonna be a direct monitoring button. Make sure that is on. And if you're using an interface, there's gonna be a knob somewhere on there that's gonna control how much processed mix you hear. Set that all the way to full mix.
 
thanks i think i got it now
i appreciate it

and your song really does sound good
 
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