Dogman
Unkle Ticklefingers
GregL:
How do you get that midi Sabian B8 crash sounding so lifelike??
You are indeed my hero
Gerg is the pWn3g......
Gerg is the pWn3g......
Dogman
Unkle Ticklefingers
Oh...here's my shitty drums to add to this.....
BentRabbit
New member
Oh...here's my shitty drums to add to this.....
Oh great...
Now I'm not gonna be able to get that song outta my head...
Thanx a LOT Ed....
Seeker of Rock
Let us be unburdened by that which has been ?
You guys are giving me some good input here, and that is what I'm looking for. The snare I can compress easily, and the stereo overheads may be picking up too much of it uncompressed. I play around with pulling the dedicated channel up in the mix. Thanks for all of the good advice, and support for Julian wanting to spout off a little.
Like building the room, like micing my amps when I get to that point, I'm in a learning process right now and would really appreciate if you guys would help me along as I continue to work on refining the drum mic positioning and mix. I'll be tweaking some things you are suggesting and will post new clips this weekend so you can see if I'm working some of the issues out. I haven't given up on not micing each tom yet, but if I can't get them forward in the mix, it is an investment I'm willing to make.
Julian, I think you were trying to make this more complicated than it was, and you seem to have some personal issues that prohibit you from keeping on topic. Please don't respond to my posts in the future, and good luck with your recordings too
Like building the room, like micing my amps when I get to that point, I'm in a learning process right now and would really appreciate if you guys would help me along as I continue to work on refining the drum mic positioning and mix. I'll be tweaking some things you are suggesting and will post new clips this weekend so you can see if I'm working some of the issues out. I haven't given up on not micing each tom yet, but if I can't get them forward in the mix, it is an investment I'm willing to make.
Julian, I think you were trying to make this more complicated than it was, and you seem to have some personal issues that prohibit you from keeping on topic. Please don't respond to my posts in the future, and good luck with your recordings too
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santiu
Rock-scientist
I think there are phase things going on, it sounds weird to me on headphones (regardless of playing or drum/cymbal construction or quality 
). Stereo separation sounds damn good though, unfortunately i think if you try to attack the phaseyness you will probably end up loosing some of that separation. I would tune up the snare, and play around with the snare mic placement, it does sound a little bleh to me.
I think JuliánFernández has a good point that the key to a great recording is a great musician, I can't imagine anyone trying to dispute that... but this is homerecording.com after all! I think the majority of us here as just trying to have some fun, and make the best recordings we can (or am I the only one here that sucks as most of the instruments i pretend to play). That being said, don't think microphone and recording technique can make up for good solid practice
p.s. no reason to play the "don't talk to me anymore" game. I think everyone deserves to post and respond to anything they like as long as they don't have malicious (or advertising) intent. If there's someone you don't want to hear from you can use the "Edit Ignore List" in your user CP.
). Stereo separation sounds damn good though, unfortunately i think if you try to attack the phaseyness you will probably end up loosing some of that separation. I would tune up the snare, and play around with the snare mic placement, it does sound a little bleh to me.I think JuliánFernández has a good point that the key to a great recording is a great musician, I can't imagine anyone trying to dispute that... but this is homerecording.com after all! I think the majority of us here as just trying to have some fun, and make the best recordings we can (or am I the only one here that sucks as most of the instruments i pretend to play). That being said, don't think microphone and recording technique can make up for good solid practice
p.s. no reason to play the "don't talk to me anymore" game. I think everyone deserves to post and respond to anything they like as long as they don't have malicious (or advertising) intent. If there's someone you don't want to hear from you can use the "Edit Ignore List" in your user CP.
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SLIP_KNOT
New member
Personally the micing stuck out the most to me and not in a good way.
1. What mics are you using?
2. What distance are the mics? have you used the 3 to 1 rule (if the mic is 1 foot away from the source it is 3 feet away from the other mic)
Other than that everything was ok the snare has a very faint ring to it some Drum Gum would take care of that.
Also I would invest in making a subkick. these are very cheap and add enormous sound to your bass by catching the lower frequencies that normal mics cant handle. I paid in total 16 dollars for mine I got the drum from ebay and a yard of cloth from walmart. instructables. com/id/SPKR-MiK--How-to-make-a-microphone-from-a-speaker/
all you need is an xlr out if you have a mixer the rest can be adjusted from there. the snare would sound better also if you had 2 mics to it. One on top and one on bottom
PhilGood
Juice box hero
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Greg_L
Banned
GregL:
How do you get that midi Sabian B8 crash sounding so lifelike??
You are indeed my hero
I can't give away my secrets!
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Greg_L
Banned
No one did.
Seeker of Rock
Let us be unburdened by that which has been ?
Thanks for the comments. I'm using the Naiant MSH-1os for overheads, but I am hearing that positioning needs some work, and that's what I'm prepared to do if you guys don't mind helping me get it closer to right through a post/comment/tweak/re-post kind of process. I'm planning on tracking the drums to my music when I get it closer to where it should be, but there is an incredible drumber I work with that I may have do the drum work if I'm not happy with my attempts.
Regarding Juilan, he just couldn't seem to grasp what I was after though I clearly stated it in the beginning text. I was looking for objective, constructive comments on the micing/overall drum sound, not playing critique. Julian got a little out of line with boasting, and I don't care for that, nor was it helping give the information I was looking for. I'm looking for comments such as "the snare sounds bad because it is not tuned right, has phase issues, and needs to pulled pulled forward in the mix", not blind speculation on the drum equipment I'm using or my playing, which is decent equipment. I don't care for posters like that, so I'd prefer he not post to my threads is all, thus I put him on my ignore list last night just in case he doesn't respect my request.
Seeker of Rock
Let us be unburdened by that which has been ?
Oh...here's my shitty drums to add to this.....
Dude, it sounds like you were able to reduce a lot of the ping in your snare from the posts a couple weeks back. Nice!!
Dogman
Unkle Ticklefingers
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JuliánFernández
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I spent my time trying to give some good advice and people react like that... 
Seeker, don´t worry I won´t post in another thread of yours... I wish you good luck...
Anyway, I couldn´t care less about trying to make you guys agree with me.
Thank god the people who hires me think that the players is more important than the gear, and no one with the coolest DW kit (or the best mics) will ever work if he or she can hold the groove... (thing that I strive for everytime and everyday)...
I´m back to my drums ´cause I have a lot to work on...
Seeker, don´t worry I won´t post in another thread of yours... I wish you good luck...
Anyway, I couldn´t care less about trying to make you guys agree with me.
Thank god the people who hires me think that the players is more important than the gear, and no one with the coolest DW kit (or the best mics) will ever work if he or she can hold the groove... (thing that I strive for everytime and everyday)...
I´m back to my drums ´cause I have a lot to work on...
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Greg_L
Banned
Dude, no one said the player isn't important. But, you can hold the tightest groove in the world and it's gonna sound like shit on a poorly tuned/mic'd kit. Comprende amigo? You went straight for the kill when it wasn't even necessary.I spent my time trying to give some good advice and people react like that...
Seeker, don´t worry I won´t post in another thread of yours... I wish you good luck...
Anyway, I couldn´t care less about trying to make you guys agree with me.
Thank god the people who hires me think that the players is more important than the gear, and no one with the coolest DW kit (or the best mics) will ever work if he or she can hold the groove... (thing that I strive for everytime and everyday)...
I´m back to my drums ´cause I have a lot to work on...
A good player on a bad kit still sounds bad.
As for you, you're getting slammed because of your false bravado. It's hard to get people behind you when you belittle someone elses work and have nothing to back up your own arrogance. On this here internet, the proof is in the pudding. For example, if Rami tells me my drums sound funny, I'm gonna listen to his opinion because I KNOW that his drums sound great and he's a great player. He's posted dozens of songs proving it. That's not to say that your opinion isn't valid; it's just that your delivery sucked which put you under the microscope, and you failed to deliver anything that would make us think that your harsh critique was credible. A few minutes of you playing a mindless 4/4 with just a hat, kick, and snare doesn't show us anything and still makes you look like a douche.
Post something else, please. I wanna give you the benefit of the doubt. My drumming is all over the MP3 clinic. Go have a listen. I aint perfect by any means and I learn new stuff every day, but I think I do okay.
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tmix
Well-known member
Seeker,
Here is my take, and of course it is biased by what I personally like in drums both playing and mixing.
I generally find I need a really solid kick with a good deal of beater,
Mostly a bit of the 60 to 125 hz low end from the front reso head and quite a bit of the beater to make it punch through the mix and add drive to the Bass guitar notes that hopefully land on the same beat. (he he)
The ATM 25 is perfect for that, if you did not get it, it was the placement or the roll off activated like you said. I prefer putting my ATM about 8 inches out side the head and adding a second mic (57 or?) on the beater side.(mix to taste)
The snare sound: Man this is such a matter of taste, but I actually like a snare to ring like Dogmans. It carries more energy and life in the mix. A dead snare sounds like a misfire or something, then folks add reverb to make it linger and it turns to mush. I say let it ring.
On your sample the snare has a bit of a double dribble going on which might just be how loose the snare wires are or how many wires the snare strainer has. Actually, sometimes this works in the mix similar to folks adding a bit of delay to a snare to fatten it up, so it might be what you want, try it, then maybe tighten them up a little.
The overheads. While they sound clear it sounds like they favor the cymbals a bit more than I like unless you are not going to have much toms in the song. I have a pair of the Naiant Omnis also and have not tried them on my drums yet since I built my booth.
You might try them in a different configuration that adds a low frequency dimension.
I suggest the Glynn Johns method.
If you don't know the method it works similar to the recordermans method with some slight difference in placement.
By putting one mic directly over the snare (about 38 to 40 inches) try to favor the middle area between the snare and the high tom. Adjust proximity to Hat to blend that element in or out volume wise. Then using the exact same measurement from the center of the snare to the center of the overhead capsule, put your second mic the same distance from the snare center but about 8 inches above the floor tom pointing toward the snare .
When you pan the mics around 3 and 9oclock it gives a nice open image.
Having the one mic down low may add some beef to the sounds that you are looking for.
Another option anyway.
Here is my take, and of course it is biased by what I personally like in drums both playing and mixing.
I generally find I need a really solid kick with a good deal of beater,
Mostly a bit of the 60 to 125 hz low end from the front reso head and quite a bit of the beater to make it punch through the mix and add drive to the Bass guitar notes that hopefully land on the same beat. (he he)
The ATM 25 is perfect for that, if you did not get it, it was the placement or the roll off activated like you said. I prefer putting my ATM about 8 inches out side the head and adding a second mic (57 or?) on the beater side.(mix to taste)
The snare sound: Man this is such a matter of taste, but I actually like a snare to ring like Dogmans. It carries more energy and life in the mix. A dead snare sounds like a misfire or something, then folks add reverb to make it linger and it turns to mush. I say let it ring.
On your sample the snare has a bit of a double dribble going on which might just be how loose the snare wires are or how many wires the snare strainer has. Actually, sometimes this works in the mix similar to folks adding a bit of delay to a snare to fatten it up, so it might be what you want, try it, then maybe tighten them up a little.
The overheads. While they sound clear it sounds like they favor the cymbals a bit more than I like unless you are not going to have much toms in the song. I have a pair of the Naiant Omnis also and have not tried them on my drums yet since I built my booth.
You might try them in a different configuration that adds a low frequency dimension.
I suggest the Glynn Johns method.
If you don't know the method it works similar to the recordermans method with some slight difference in placement.
By putting one mic directly over the snare (about 38 to 40 inches) try to favor the middle area between the snare and the high tom. Adjust proximity to Hat to blend that element in or out volume wise. Then using the exact same measurement from the center of the snare to the center of the overhead capsule, put your second mic the same distance from the snare center but about 8 inches above the floor tom pointing toward the snare .
When you pan the mics around 3 and 9oclock it gives a nice open image.
Having the one mic down low may add some beef to the sounds that you are looking for.
Another option anyway.
Seeker of Rock
Let us be unburdened by that which has been ?
tmix,
Thanks for the advice. I may try that method. I've been tweaking the tuning on my toms this morning and refining mic placement and levels on the kick and snare, both of which are probably to a point of re-posting something here in a bit. My problem is that with the 4-mic method, the o/h's are picking up a lot of the snare and some of the kick when I wish they wouldn't. I like the snare and kick sounds I've set out by themselves, but then when I add the overheads, snare and kick are coming through them in force. If I turn down the o/h's, I lose my cymbals and toms. I'm just getting ready to mess with the o/h's now, so I'll try what you are saying. Thanks again to everyone for the advice. It's a learning process for me, and good advice from those who have been through this is the way for me to learn. I'm taking all of your comments and advice and putting it to action. I expect to go through this for awhile until it gets closer to better, and I hope you will all check back and give me more advice as I move along in the process.
Thanks for the advice. I may try that method. I've been tweaking the tuning on my toms this morning and refining mic placement and levels on the kick and snare, both of which are probably to a point of re-posting something here in a bit. My problem is that with the 4-mic method, the o/h's are picking up a lot of the snare and some of the kick when I wish they wouldn't. I like the snare and kick sounds I've set out by themselves, but then when I add the overheads, snare and kick are coming through them in force. If I turn down the o/h's, I lose my cymbals and toms. I'm just getting ready to mess with the o/h's now, so I'll try what you are saying. Thanks again to everyone for the advice. It's a learning process for me, and good advice from those who have been through this is the way for me to learn. I'm taking all of your comments and advice and putting it to action. I expect to go through this for awhile until it gets closer to better, and I hope you will all check back and give me more advice as I move along in the process.