JG96
Active member
Do you master your own recordings or send them somewhere to be mastered? If you do send them somewhere please specify
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dintymoore
Guest
I do it by myself. If I had the money to send it out I'd use Bernie Grundman because my friends have had good experience with him. To me mastering is just another part of the chain you need to learn. Even if you use mastering facilities, you can't send everything out so you need to develop some skills in that area.
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
All of the above, and then some, depending upon the project. But online services only count when they ARE a real studio.
What's the point of sending my album to some kid with a PC and a crack of Waves? Anybody can just do that themselves, and most of them don't even provide mastering services, they just make singles louder.
G.
What's the point of sending my album to some kid with a PC and a crack of Waves? Anybody can just do that themselves, and most of them don't even provide mastering services, they just make singles louder.
G.
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Greg_L
Banned
I do it myself. I aint paying anyone for anything. Self mastering is a form of masturbation - I do it myself and I'm the only one that gets anything out of it. 
gecko zzed
Grumpy Mod
^^^ What he says.
I do everything here.
When I have people come in to record, I give them the options (I master or they take it somewhere else), but they always end up not going elsewhere.
I do everything here.
When I have people come in to record, I give them the options (I master or they take it somewhere else), but they always end up not going elsewhere.
kcearl
I see deaf people
I do it myself. I aint paying anyone for anything. Self mastering is a form of masturbation - I do it myself and I'm the only one that gets anything out of it.
lol.....i just thank gawd Im better at masturbating
kcearl
I see deaf people
fair enough but even Abbey Road are offering online mastering, for around $130 per track
thats well within the reach of hobbyists who have an album they think has commercial value
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
I've used some online services that I'm sure some know around here. But although there WAS an improvement in the final product, I think better effort in mixing and just tracking would do MUCH more overall.
If your final mix sound great to you then there's an answer too.
But, I also realize making it translate over a wider range of systems and all that stuff.
I will say EVERY time I had something mastered, I had several re-dos... NOT just one. That either tells me I didn't have a good communication with the ME, they have different opinions than me, or a couple of other topics..
But my vote, is if you have another $600 burning in your pocket to spare, get it mastered. But it all really depends on the final purpose of the project.
I think it also shows a little bit of how serious one may be about their music... BUT>>>BUT on the other hand, I can TOTALLY understand a person that just mixes and tracks great and has a good ear and does his own stuff. That person doesn't have to be the exception.
If your final mix sound great to you then there's an answer too.
But, I also realize making it translate over a wider range of systems and all that stuff.
I will say EVERY time I had something mastered, I had several re-dos... NOT just one. That either tells me I didn't have a good communication with the ME, they have different opinions than me, or a couple of other topics..
But my vote, is if you have another $600 burning in your pocket to spare, get it mastered. But it all really depends on the final purpose of the project.
I think it also shows a little bit of how serious one may be about their music... BUT>>>BUT on the other hand, I can TOTALLY understand a person that just mixes and tracks great and has a good ear and does his own stuff. That person doesn't have to be the exception.
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
masteringhouse
www.masteringhouse.com
If you're serious about the distribution of your music to a large audience it's a good idea to at least get the opinion of someone's perspective whom you can trust.
The quality of the final product is a reflection of how serious you are about your music and has been proven to help increase sales. The Indie music scene is already flooded with mediocre production "good enough" isn't good enough anymore. Your music should stand out among the din whether you decide to master it yourself or have someone help. If you can honestly say that a product that you have mastered is the absolute best that it can sound, then job done. If not, it may be a good idea to try other options.
The quality of the final product is a reflection of how serious you are about your music and has been proven to help increase sales. The Indie music scene is already flooded with mediocre production "good enough" isn't good enough anymore. Your music should stand out among the din whether you decide to master it yourself or have someone help. If you can honestly say that a product that you have mastered is the absolute best that it can sound, then job done. If not, it may be a good idea to try other options.
kcearl
I see deaf people
Ive no idea what your saying??
Your tone implies that online mastering is saturated with kids and cracked waves plugins, as you instantly dismissed the Canadian company I mentioned without even knowing who they are..all im saying is that even the more well known mastering houses are offering online services and what would appear affordable to the serious hobbyist
apologies if that wasnt what you were implying, but its certainly the way I interpreted it...
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
Which, with all due respect, seems to be a recurring theme with you, unfortunately. You consistently read what your own prejudice wants to think I'm saying instead of what I actually write.
I said - and I quote, "But online services only count when they ARE a real studio." You replied, "but even Abbey Road offers online mastering services." Which fits my description exactly; a real studio offering real services online. Which is why I asked why the "but"; you sounded like you were objecting or saying something other than what I was saying.
And, for chrissake, I did not dismiss that Canadian company. I already explained that to you. If you still don't get it, I'm not going to hold your hand through a simple explanation of the English language.
It's your consistently wrong "interpretations" that get increasingly tiring, kc. You should stop "interpreting" what people are saying instead of actually READING and COMPREHENDING what they actually write.kcearl said:
G.
Waltz Mastering
New member
Mixing is about 10% of my work these days. Probably 80% of the stuff I'll mix gets sent out to other ME's.
Sent a Ska album out yesterday to an ME in SF. Can't wait to hear it back. I've also used Rodney Mills at Masterhouse for some southern rock recently...and used BL, TJ, and BG in the past,..always a blast hearing it back..and yes there are usually minor revisions on a song or two, here and there no matter who it is...
Sent a Ska album out yesterday to an ME in SF. Can't wait to hear it back. I've also used Rodney Mills at Masterhouse for some southern rock recently...and used BL, TJ, and BG in the past,..always a blast hearing it back..and yes there are usually minor revisions on a song or two, here and there no matter who it is...
kcearl
I see deaf people
haha you're a dick even when Im being polite to you
normal service is resumed
you imply that if its not a "real" studio (how do you determine that online) then its a kid with cracked waves and that "most" companies like a Canadian one I mentioned, that you don't know as they weren't named, "feed cow chips to their customers"
imply - To express or indicate indirectly...you try some comprehension
and you are also one generalising mofo because if people use online services they dont use people like yourself..and that's why you cant comment without total bias and dismissal
see my comprehension is fine...now lets work on yours big boy
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
No, I don't imply that, I state it as known FACT. If you want to deny that, you're just plain denying reality.
There's nothing "polite" out of not listening to what one has to say and then puttying false words in their mouth. It's either being a smart asshole or an innocent idiot, but it's definitely not being polite.
The way to tell if it's a legit business and not some schmuck is by their pictures, their equipment list, their history, their bona fides...in fact by every measure by which you'd judge any other business in any other line of work.
When they make a point out not mentioning anything about their gear - and no, I'm not saying it has to be thousands of dollars of boutique stuff, before you go "interpreting" me again - it's 100 times out of 100 because they have something to hide. And when that's compounded with stock photos of audio gear that has nothing to do with mastering (e.g. pics of a 16x4 live mixing board, pics of a multitrack timeline, etc.), or are outright stolen from a real mastering service (a very common thing), you don't have to be a college grad to figure out that there's something wrong.
Then add to that no history, no bona fides of any value, and a set of crap MP3 samples, and you have a cow chip salesman. And the "online mastering" sites that fit that description are almost as plentiful as the number of grans of sand on a beach.
The fact is the online mastering market IS saturated with infant minds with nothing but a PC in a bedroom and a cracked copy of Waves (or something similarly lame) who know nothing about the actual art and service of mastering. That is a FACT for anybody with more than two sober brain cells to rub together. If you wish to deny that, I'd have to ask you what color the sky is on your planet.
The only generalizing going on is by moron clowns who "interpret" that to mean that I'm saying that everybody who offers online mastering is a shyster. They are not. But for every quality service like Massive Master, Masteringhouse or Waltz Mastering out there, there are five hundred "mastering by mail" shyster sites out there that deserve nothing but our disdain.
And finally, you incredible idiot, it has nothing to do with what I consider competition for the studio I work at. My studio does not offer stand-alone mastering services, and has no plans to anything in the foreseeable future. There is no competition any more than there's competition between a tire shop and a muffler shop.
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masteringhouse
www.masteringhouse.com
Likewise back when I was mixing, mastering was sent out to Greg Calbi and others at Masterdisk (at that time) as well as Gene Paul (Les Paul's son), a local facility, and a few others whom I forget. It's great to hear another perspective. And yeah there were some occasional revisions as well. I actually learned a bit about improving my mixes from them too (along with mastering).
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kcearl
I see deaf people
lol@ FACT
I didnt read the rest...prolly more of your shite "opinion" disguised as "fact"...happy 4th Gland
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
Although you vehemently believe that, I haven't found that to be all that true searching around here, gearslutz, and other various places. I imagine if you "googled" online mastering or put stock in YouTube videos, you might be tempted to think so, but I don't find all that many soliciting their wares.
Sure, there are some, but at least not that aren't easily distinquished or even "crowd" the field.
I see a handful of legit mastering places around here, but actually not many more. The fakes...they pop to the surface pretty quick but are far and few between.
I find it's the people that say they have STUDIOS for recording and not ME.
People with a copy of Reaper and a Squire bullet bass and a MXL mic.
kcearl
I see deaf people
looks like you dont have two sober brain cells either, ah well it's Saturday night
in fact I just did a quick google for "online mastering" mmm
emasters
http://www.emasters.co.uk/
some kid with cracked waves plugins in Hannover
in fact the whole first page is just full of kids and cracks...and thats a FACT!
http://www.headroommastering.com/?gclid=CI6ao6eR0aICFRBLgwodVj7uwg
http://www.suprememastering.com/
http://www.xarcmastering.com/
http://www.medwaystudios.com/
some you even choose the studio or engineer
http://www.masteringworld.com/studios.asp
some have been around since 1994...the kids must have started young
http://www.omnionlinemastering.com/
http://www.onlinemastering.com/?p=info
and thats the first page of google...no need to go any further Im sure one of these guys would do most of us
where do we find these kids online Glen?
in fact I just did a quick google for "online mastering" mmm
emasters
http://www.emasters.co.uk/
some kid with cracked waves plugins in Hannover
in fact the whole first page is just full of kids and cracks...and thats a FACT!
http://www.headroommastering.com/?gclid=CI6ao6eR0aICFRBLgwodVj7uwg
http://www.suprememastering.com/
http://www.xarcmastering.com/
http://www.medwaystudios.com/
some you even choose the studio or engineer
http://www.masteringworld.com/studios.asp
some have been around since 1994...the kids must have started young
http://www.omnionlinemastering.com/
http://www.onlinemastering.com/?p=info
and thats the first page of google...no need to go any further Im sure one of these guys would do most of us
where do we find these kids online Glen?
kcearl
I see deaf people
2nd page Glen
http://musicmasteringonline.com/
http://www.elysianmasters.com/
https://www.mastering1.com/index.html
https://www.abbeyroadonlinemastering.com/soundcloud/
http://www.soundops.com/
http://www.streakymastering.com/
http://online-mixing-and-mastering.com/cms/
which one of these is the kids with the cracks?
shall i do page three?
http://musicmasteringonline.com/
http://www.elysianmasters.com/
https://www.mastering1.com/index.html
https://www.abbeyroadonlinemastering.com/soundcloud/
http://www.soundops.com/
http://www.streakymastering.com/
http://online-mixing-and-mastering.com/cms/
which one of these is the kids with the cracks?
shall i do page three?