Mastering.. Whats the deal?

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I guess what I meant was that there are a few opensource multitrack programs out there for Linux that I might look into in the future. Then I wouldn't have to run windows at all. Problem is I have an automated controller etc that I don't think would work to well in Linux.

But I suppose you could have a Linux system and use vmware to install a windows guest on it.
 
I don't really see the point in getting home recordings mastered.


Souns kinda' like performing surgery on yourself, then calling a doctor to see if he can repair any of the damage.
 
Home Surgery

I agree. If it is for me then I will bake it as good as I can. If the guy I did the recording for and GAVE it to wants some iceing on my bake he can spend the money and get it decorated. I guess if he had the money to master it he should have paid me for recording and baking his album.

Phil
 
chessrock said:
I don't really see the point in getting home recordings mastered.


Souns kinda' like performing surgery on yourself, then calling a doctor to see if he can repair any of the damage.

Well ya, but I think the original question was why should he have his songs mastered and why couldn't he do it himself with just as good results.
 
Always room!

Yes but there is always room for improvement. If a person does not plan on doing much of the recording process or attempting to mix their on stuff I can see your point.

But then again if that person plans on being in this music business a while there is a learning curve that can be applied to stage sound also. Besides the $$$ that can be saved.

I don't know if doing surgery on your self is a good anology.

Apply the senario to any common other every day occupation that you do not have to have a degree in, and I'm not saying it hurts to get a music degree, or go to school to learn the trade, but, by attempting to make the sound better, is more like building a house, painting or restoring a car, etc.,etc...

It does require tools that apply to the job at hand.

I know musicians who are every bit as good as the ones in the studio in Nashville, that don't cost a arm and a leg. And studio's that are the same way, $$$ wise.

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I think I have my answers. I know that my recording will never sound pro until I spend pro money. I just want it to grab your attention. Thanks everyone for the imput.
 
chessrock said:
I don't really see the point in getting home recordings mastered.

Souns kinda' like performing surgery on yourself, then calling a doctor to see if he can repair any of the damage.

Actually I've heard some very good home recordings that sounded great after mastering.

It just depends on how serious you are about your final product.
 
Another fine quote:

“Who needs mastering? My answer is that if you
record your own projects at home, you need mastering
more than the producer who works with the top
engineers in the top studios.”


Roger Nichols, Grammy Award® winning engineer
& columnist for EQ magazine.
 
Massive Master said:
Another fine quote:

“Who needs mastering? My answer is that if you
record your own projects at home, you need mastering
more than the producer who works with the top
engineers in the top studios.”


Roger Nichols, Grammy Award® winning engineer
& columnist for EQ magazine.



What He Said!!!

:D :D :D

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masteringhouse said:
Actually I've heard some very good home recordings that sounded great after mastering. It just depends on how serious you are about your final product.

If you're that serious about it, you should have a real engineer record it for you in the first place.
 
Aw, where's the fun in that?

Honestly - I get stuff in here all the time that was done in home studios that sounds stellar. And others that sound crappy.

In this day and age, it's cheap to find out if you have "the knack" for this kind of stuff. And with the inexpensive but reasonably high-quality gear out there...

I think of it this way - If I can block a nice studio out for $3000 for a week OR get $3000 in cool gear and then take my time (MY time) on it, why not?

Not that it doesn't suck for studio owners & management - I'm a victim of the home recording market myself. But, I can certainly understand and relate to how it came about...

John -
 
chessrock said:
If you're that serious about it, you should have a real engineer record it for you in the first place.

I agree that an experienced engineer will be the better way to go in both recording, mixing, and mastering. If you want to take it a step further one should also have a real producer.

There are however some people who are doing a very good job with their home studios that can benefit from having them mastered. No use throwing the baby out with the bathwater by dismissing all home recordings as inferior and not worth the final production phase.

Home recording gives you the opportunity to record when you want, how you want, off the clock. You will often get your best performances that way which is the most important part of recording correct?

After the tracks are recorded reasonably well, I would recommend taking them to an experienced local studio for mixing (for the serious musician) as they most likely have better gear, knowledge, and ears for creating the best results for your recording. They also supply another point of view and hopefully some good pointers on production.

After mixing, taking them to a reputable mastering facility creates another check on the quality of the audio. Having another set of experienced ears with dedicated equipment for the mastering process helps bring the product to another level and keeps the mix "honest", e.g. translates well to all systems not just the system at the mixing facility.

Home recordings are getting better all of the time due to advances in technology. When you see "home studios" like Sting's it goes way beyond what we think of as "home recording". The important piece is getting things right the first time, not trying to "fix it in the mix/mastering" when doing things at home. You most likely can't get the same performance a second time, but you can remix and master any number of times (when funds allow it) if it was recorded properly.
 
FWIW, though it's the exception and not the rule, some of the best sounding projects I've worked on in the last few years have been from home studios.

From the Euphonic Masters home page:
Now more than ever the need for high quality mastering is apparent. There is an ever-growing number of release formats to be enjoyed in ever-changing environments, and as the number of independent releases and project studios has grown, so has the need for quality monitoring, processing, and experience.
 
It takes a pretty rare person to be both an expert in engineering and music, and to be able to multi-task to the point where you're going to be able to produce something of high quality on your own project. Can it be done? Obviously, yes. How often is it actually being done? Probably between 1-5% of the time. It's a rare individual who can pull it off.

For the other 95% : Get a professional to engineer it for you. If not, then it's probably not going to turn out very good anyway, so why bother having it mastered? Spend your mastering fund on a new guitar or something.

BTW -- To clarify; there are plenty of professional engineers working out of home studios. I don't consider those to be "home recordings," by the way.
 
I think I'm with you Chess Rock. I know that my home recordings won't compare to a pro recording untill I have been in the biz for some time and developed my ear. If I were going to pay to have the thing mastered I would probably pay to have it recorded too. It is fun to see how well I can get the job done on my own and it is a learning experience. However, if I could look over an engineer's shoulder all day I am sure it would speed the process up a bit.
 
Sorry, with the exception of "it is not going to turn out very good anyway", that would have to do with a lot more than the quality of the recording.
 
True. What I meant to say was something along the lines of "the fidelity and sound/mix quality" probably won't be stellar. In a few rare cases it might, but usually not.
 
someone told me that my drums sounded like they were played cardboard boxes to bring your example to life.
 
Hmmm. I'd like to see a mastering engineer make cardboard-boxes sound like drums. :D


He'd get a lot of business, I suppose.
 
chessrock said:
Hmmm. I'd like to see a mastering engineer make cardboard-boxes sound like drums. :D


He'd get a lot of business, I suppose.

Break up the drums into separate frequency bands and use them as triggers for drum samples ...

Just kidding (though it could probably be done, and in fact I've done this for poorly recorded kicks when remixing).

Obviously you can only shine sh*t so far before you just end up with a big brown smear. But I think you are dismissing quite a few potentially good gems that could be cut and polished from rough stone.
 
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