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Let me start by apologizing, because some of the information that I am asking for here is sort of covered by other threads, but I am hoping to get a complete picture.

Two years ago I got an old copy of Sonic Foundry Vegas and tried to get started with digital recording. I was using an older computer system at the time, but I currently have a P4 / 2.4GHz / 1.0GB RAM machine, with an on-board audio card that came with my Intel motherboard.

I was recording from a single microphone ( a Stageworks UM66 to be exact ) running into an Audio-Technica CP8201 Microphone Impedance Matching Transformer, which also converted the microphone-style output to 1/4" phone, and then through an adapter from 1/4" phone to 1/8" phone and into the line-in jack of my cheap soundcard. This system seemed to work OK for recording guitars/vocals, but I ran into lots of problems with multitracking.

If I tried to record a track, then play it back while recording another track, the audio would usually get out of sync. 9 takes out of 10, it would sound fine for a while and then my entire second track would suddenly jump and be off by a fraction of a beat. This became so frustrating that I ended up recording eight-bar phrases at a time, and resulted in a fairly awful product.

Now I would like to try recording again, but without the hassle I had last time. I can't see how my PC could be the problem, since it is quite up to date, and I don't think they could sell this software if it is that bad. So I am assuming the problem is with my consumer-quality soundcard.

After reading through these forums and tons of other online information, I am looking at the M-Audio line of products. Specifically, the Audiophile, the Delta 44, and the Delta 1010LT. I was hoping not to spend more than what the Audiophile costs, but I am starting to wonder if it will work for me.

My reading has made it seem as though it is virtually impossible to record using a microphone with a preamp, which the Audiophile and Delta 44 do not have, and which I hope not to have to buy separately. Is this actually the case? Additionally, lots of these cards have their input connections as RCA cables. Can I just walk down to Radio Shack and buy a $2 converter from 1/4" phone to RCA cables, or does this require other equipment as well?

So I really have three questions:

1. To solve the problems I was experiencing the last time I did recording, I most likely need a) newer software, or b) a better soundcard ?

2. Assuming the answer to 1 is b, what kind of soundcard can I get that will work without buying all sorts of other equipment to plug into it. The only real requirements that I have are that it have at least two input channels, not require any extra hardware in front of it, and be capable of both playback and recording without having the synchronization problem. I don't really care about having digital in/out, 10 analog outs, headphone outs, mixing capabilities, MIDI, or any of that other nonsense. I just need an inexpensive card that actually works for simple recording.

3. How does one use the RCA connectors on these sound cards with basic musical gear? ( i.e., guitars and microphones )


Sorry this is so long, but I have been waiting 8 hours for my account activation to complete and thinking about my post all that time.

Thank you,
Chad Hogg
 
Radio Shack adapters will work just fine.
I think you may have mis-worded your post some in regards to pre amps.
Yes ... to use a Mic ... you need a pre amp, either built in to the card or as outboard gear.
Needing only two channels leaves you with a multitude of choices, but myself ... I use a MOTU unit with 20 IN's and 22 OUT's (combining analog and ADAT). Other members will have to chime in on lesser cards that would fit your needs. Though even a cheap Soundblaster Live card can work if you intend to record in only 16 bit @ 48kHz. Why 48kHz with the Live card? Because they run natively at that frequency, and if you try to sample at a different rate the card is forced to do conversion on the fly. That can translate to undesirable artifacts in the recording.
There are a lot of other 2 channel cards that can be had on the cheap, 24 bit ones even, but again most will need an external pre amp.

Check back on this thread over the next couple of days and I'm sure you will have many recommendations.

-Ken
 
Chad welcome to the board.

I'll answer your question. You are looking for a soundcard that has build in pre-amps that you can hook your mic straight into and hook speakers into the outs and go!

There are lots of those available, from a couple hundred to a couple thousand, believe it or not. I'm going to go compile a list of some links and put them on here for you to look at. A good plus is that most soundcards come with some kind of recording software, at least for you to try out.

H2H
be right back.....
 
These are the kind of things you are looking for. I think these all just hook up to USB, so it is kind of set it up and start recording. They are listed most expensive to least, and I know the first two come with software (The M-Box has GOOD software)

Digi M-Box Pro Tools LE Included $449

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...rec/s=computer/search/detail/base_pid/240469/

Lexicon Omega $349

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...rec/s=computer/search/detail/base_pid/245505/


M-Audio $149

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...rec/s=computer/search/detail/base_pid/701373/

Hope it helps
H2H
 
The M-Audio AudioSport Duo is quite impressive, being of a similar cost to the M-Audio Audiophile and having preamps as well as the advantage of portability. However, I have read multiple posts in these forums advising people to stay away from any USB interfaces, as they apparently are much more susceptible to lag than a PCI interface.

Reading the manual for the AudioSport Duo is still a bit confusing though. It seems that, in order to directly attach a guitar, you need not only the preamp that is internal to the device, but also a direct box? Why can't you just plug one end of a 1/4" cable into your guitar and the other into the 1/4" input on the device?
 
The impedance of the guitar output does not exactly match the inputs on audio gear..be it recording devices or mixers, etc. That said, I have done it without a direct box more than once, especially with acoustic, and it worked ok. The sound quality is better with a good direct box, though.

As far as USB, they aren't as powerful as a PCI or a firewire. They are generally easier to set up and use, though. Look around and you can find the exact feature set you are looking for. Nearly anything you can think of is made these days as far as recording configuration.

H2H
 
The M-Audio Delta 1010lt has 2 inbuilt preamps, so you could just get that and you're good to go, although it has more ins & outs than you currently need.

Another alternative is the M-Audio audiophile and a small mixer like the Yamaha MG10/2, which has 4 preamps. For $250 you've got quite a nice 2-channel recording package
 
Thank you for your thoughts. I am looking very closely at the Delta 1010lt.

But noone bothered to answer my first question. Has anyone ever had problems like this? If so, how did you fix them?
 
I'll try...

1. To solve the problems I was experiencing the last time I did recording, I most likely need a) newer software, or b) a better soundcard ?

It's not the software. I suspect that either your soundcard was misconfigured, or was having conflicts with another device in the system, or perhaps the drivers for your soundcard are poor. Did you try updating the drivers? Did you try any of the troubleshooting tips on the Sony website or in any of these forums?
 
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