man i need SERIOUS help PROS,SEMI PROS AND WHO EVER ELSE APPLY HERE.MIC HELP NEEDED!!

[czar of bizarre]

guys i need some help. im gonna track MYSELF. the thing is im doing vocals and i NEED to know HOW FAR to stand AWAY from the mic? im going to do TWO distinct things vocal wise. in 2 songs i will be YELLING. how far do i need to stand back?

on 3 songs i will do this eerie weird whisper thing......how close to i need to be and how loud do i need to be to still keep it a whisper?

now as far as the vocals go after they are TRACKED i will add fx.

i want delay like STONE TEMPLE PILOTS "SOUR GIRL" AND METALLICAS "DISAPPEAR".

i also want to have a "BACKGROUND TYPE SOUND" like stone temple pilots "HALF THE MAN I USED TO BE". when the guy sings the chorus but one part is panned to the side. it sounds ghostly and sad....thats the only way i can describe it.

ANY HELP,TIPS,INFO,MONEY OR ENRON STOCKS will help. thanx in advance guys.

the music is ROCK/RAP very political stuff. no cussing or anything. no its not that limp bizkit stuff either......


czar

 

[dtb]

czar

I read this somewhere on here.
PRACTICE, PARCTICE, PARCTICE.
EXPERIMENTATION, EXPERIMEMTATION.
Oh yeah, some good mics too.
dtb

 

[The Green Hornet]

Yo CZAR of MICronesia:

When you rehearse the vocals, both the Yelling and Whispering, have someone read the meters and make notes.

It's kind of hard to get into a vocal and watch the meters yourself but you can if it works.

For the "yelling" part, you might find a compatible distance from the mic after "experimenting. Then, when you mix it down, you might boost the fader and get an accent or emphasis on the "yelling." [also you can get some accent by keeping the FX on the "dry" side for the yelling.]

Whispering, should be no problem after a couple of reheasals. Then, you'll have to find the "right" [if there ever is one] FX setting to get what your ears want to hear.

Key word here is rehearsing and checking the meters while you rehearse and, as mentioned, use a good mic or rent one if this is an important project.

Green Hornet

 

[dobro]

For the whisper, try 4-6" from a large diaphragm mic (or any other mic that sounds good ). I sometimes do this thing for ultra quiet vocal bits - I get right up *beside* the mic capsule, like an inch or two, and get really intimate with it. Because it's beside the capusle instead of straight on, there's no pops or distortion, but it still sounds close. Well, it *is* close. Never closer, in fact. For the yelling, get back about a foot from the mic at least, but watch the levels, and use a compressor if you've got one.

 

[TexRoadkill]

What mic are you using? That makes all the difference for placement.

 

[czar of bizarre]

i am using a akg c1000, shure 58 and rode nt1 if guitar center has one in stock tuesday.

when i tracked vocals today (not thh yelling and whisper stuff) i tilted the mic downward and turned it almost on its side (is this off axis?) . when i did the vocals i stood ot the side of the mic. it came out pretty good and i didnt hear a lot of simbience.


so any helps on that would help.


also i need help on delay settings. does anyne have a chart for delays? i know a delay should be set as a multiple of the tempo (1 song is at 82 the other is 88) but for some reason the delayed vox track seems OFF from my adlib track. weird......



thanks for all the help. especially those enron stocks,money,free gear that you dont want and dog food for my dogs.




czar

 

[TexRoadkill]

For general vocal mic placement put the mic at eye level and aim it at your nose. Sing straight ahead and not right into the mic.

The 58 should handle the yelling parts really well. I've never used a NTK but that should work for the whispers. Compression will help keep the whispers loud enough.

to figure out the proper Miliseconds of delay-

Take your BPM and divide by 60. This gives you your Beats per Second.

1000/BPS gives your whole note value in miliseconds. (1000ms = 1 second)

for example-
120 BPM/60 = 2 BPS

1000/2 = 500ms per whole note

Divide that by 4 for quarter notes = 125ms

and so on.

 

[chessrock]

On Sour Girl, I think the delay is just one-tap, to the tempo, on the 8th note.

You could use a slow slap-back, but either way, it is just his voice with one quick delay. No decay at all, but there is also some reverb (hall?) for a bit of added sustain.

Also, Scott Weiland always has just a hint of phaser/flange on his voice. Very smooth, barely noticeable.

 

[nessbass]

Re: czar

PRACTICE, PARCTICE, PARCTICE.
EXPERIMENTATION, EXPERIMEMTATION.

Is this spelling the product of practicing or that of experimentation? Maybe both?

No, that wasn't nice. Sorry.

 

[old guy]

Gotta echo....Practice, practice, practice. Your vocal characteristics are different from everyone elses, so what works for one, ain't necessarily gonna work for you. Good Luck

 

[czar of bizarre]

TexRoadkill


thats what i did today and the vocals came out ok.

however i still cant get this delay thing down correctly.


the tempo is 88. you say to divide by 60. when i did that came up with 1.33333333333333333

this is crazy. im gonna try to use a multiple of 88 or im gonna try to end the delay on the snare drum.


chessrock on sour girl he sounds like some flange is on his voice. especially in the second verse.


2 the old guy&ness bass. i am prcaticing. thats all i can do. i am experimenting i just wanted a "push" in the direction. just something to get me in the ball park.


thanx guys.



czar