hongteck
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What sort of processing works to make MIDI Drum tracks more realistic ? How possible is it in the first place ?
drstawl
Banned
Better drum samples.
Better MIDI programming.
Extremely Possible. Especially when it's done by a drummer using a good MIDI trigger set.
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Better MIDI programming.
Extremely Possible. Especially when it's done by a drummer using a good MIDI trigger set.
[This message has been edited by drstawl (edited 11-14-1999).]
hongteck
New member
At the moment what I'm doing is to create my MDI drum tracks using Jammer Pro and then importing it to my sequencer software. How it sounds in Jammer is the quality I get. I do have good wav drum samples. My question is how to get the MIDI track sounding better. Sorry if this sound stupid, I'm MIDI illiterate ?
drstawl
Banned
Not stupid at all. I've used Jammer Traks
to get some so-so drums. But you'll have to do a bit more work if you want to avoid that canned sound. I usually approach this by layering drum sounds one piece at a time. Add a bass drum track, a snare track, a tom track another tom track, some cymbals etc...
You can always join them up later into one drum track.
[This message has been edited by drstawl (edited 11-15-1999).]
to get some so-so drums. But you'll have to do a bit more work if you want to avoid that canned sound. I usually approach this by layering drum sounds one piece at a time. Add a bass drum track, a snare track, a tom track another tom track, some cymbals etc...
You can always join them up later into one drum track.
[This message has been edited by drstawl (edited 11-15-1999).]
Dom Franco
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Buy a tamborine, shaker, claves and Cymbals if you can afford them. THEN:
1. Program your kick and snare midi drums. record on to one track.
2. Play live into a mic and add tamborine, shaker etc. on one or two additional tracks.
3. Combine these to an open track and you will have a very convincing drum part. Because your timing wont be "perfect" and it will have feeling.
Dom Franco
1. Program your kick and snare midi drums. record on to one track.
2. Play live into a mic and add tamborine, shaker etc. on one or two additional tracks.
3. Combine these to an open track and you will have a very convincing drum part. Because your timing wont be "perfect" and it will have feeling.
Dom Franco
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Absolutely
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Regarding improving MIDI drum programming, here's a few ideas I keep in mind. Hope someone finds it useful (or noone minds that it's now totally off-topic for this forum!).
Always take the time to watch and listen to real drummers whenever you have the opportunity. If you can pretend you are playing a kit when you program, then you'll have an advantage here.
Drummers can generally only hit four things at once (barring headbutts) and two of them are going to be kick and hihat pedals. Three things at once (BD-SN-HH or BD-SN-Ride) is a good start.
Concentrate on varying the velocities of hihat parts, an unvarying tic-tic-tic shouts "I'm a drum machine" really loud. A drummer will not hit everything the same, and that left foot is probably bouncing along on the hihat pedal, matching the snare and kick beats. Use the loud/quiet/loud/quiet sequence to start with, season in a bit of the pedal sound to taste.
If you use fast 16th beats, you can't really do that with one hand. Remember, one of those hands has to come off to hit the snare. There will probably still be a pedal, but you more than likely won't be able to hear it.
Regarding the whole kit; where there are two hits in rapid succession, the second will be weaker. Also, on fast fills, drummers tend to work their way around the kit rather than jump from side to side. Alternatively, one arm will stay on the snare for the offbeats, while the other goes for a wander around the kit.
In summary, watch the drummer, steal their moves, don't annoy them (they're stronger than most). Anyway, I've gibbered enough here.
Cheers,
Daver.
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Always take the time to watch and listen to real drummers whenever you have the opportunity. If you can pretend you are playing a kit when you program, then you'll have an advantage here.
Drummers can generally only hit four things at once (barring headbutts) and two of them are going to be kick and hihat pedals. Three things at once (BD-SN-HH or BD-SN-Ride) is a good start.
Concentrate on varying the velocities of hihat parts, an unvarying tic-tic-tic shouts "I'm a drum machine" really loud. A drummer will not hit everything the same, and that left foot is probably bouncing along on the hihat pedal, matching the snare and kick beats. Use the loud/quiet/loud/quiet sequence to start with, season in a bit of the pedal sound to taste.
If you use fast 16th beats, you can't really do that with one hand. Remember, one of those hands has to come off to hit the snare. There will probably still be a pedal, but you more than likely won't be able to hear it.
Regarding the whole kit; where there are two hits in rapid succession, the second will be weaker. Also, on fast fills, drummers tend to work their way around the kit rather than jump from side to side. Alternatively, one arm will stay on the snare for the offbeats, while the other goes for a wander around the kit.
In summary, watch the drummer, steal their moves, don't annoy them (they're stronger than most). Anyway, I've gibbered enough here.
Cheers,
Daver.
[This message has been edited by Absolutely (edited 12-08-1999).]
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tmcbrinn
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Here's a little trick I once used: Do the whole drum thing, loop them to save time, ect. Then record allthe other stuff. Then, get rid of your drum tracks, and do new tracks manually. Keep your mouse off the loop icon, just play. When you feel a cymbol crash comming, hit the cymbol botton. Your dynamics will not be constand, and your fills will become more natural. Don't quantise, or only quantise a bit. You should be able to do allthe drums in one take, and all the cymbols in 1 take. Now your song will sound like a real person is playing. If this sounds too raw, then you shouldn't have a problem finding a good comprimise between the two methodes.
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shadow8110
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Once you record your drums I have this to be very effective in making them stick out and sound more real without having to invest in any software 
youtube.com/watch?v=V6bBT-dO6xk hope this helps
youtube.com/watch?v=V6bBT-dO6xk hope this helps
Seidy
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It's always a good idea to dig up more than 10 years old thread
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RAMI
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Once you record your drums I have this to be very effective in making them stick out and sound more real without having to invest in any software
Your first post and you're necrophiling a 14 year old thread to plug a video?
That's kooky talk.
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