LynxTWO convertors

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Just thought I would share my experience with the LynxTwo converters. Not cheap and I had some apprehension regarding the price. Yeah I know this probably belongs in the soundcard forum but, as this card is higher end, it didn’t seem right to put this down there with the Sound Blaster conversations.

The install, was a pain in the butt. Lynx needs to work on their software mixer documentation and UI. Not intuitive by any means. Also, how long have software designers been putting the About menu under the Help menu in Windows software? Maybe since Windows 3.1, however, Lynx has this choice under the Mixer menu. I just like things to be where they are supposed to be having designed software in a former life. Not a big deal but slightly raised my,” Do these guys have it together?”, red flag.

The mixer software, what a goat rodeo! Three windows, none labeled intuitively. Let’s see there is the Mixer Adapter window, the Mixer Output Window and the Mixer Record/Play window. Every option known to man in routing with tiny little buttons marked with short 1-3 letter acronyms which if I have a couple of hours I will someday learn what they all mean.

I followed the instructions, fired up Sonar and …………..no sound.

Ok, I do have two other soundcards running but there is nothing in the manual warning about non compatibility with other cards so on the outside chance there is, I disabled the other two, uninstalled the drivers and disabled them in Windows.

Fired up Sonar and…………………………………………no sound.

I checked the latency on the driver and it was 128 msec. Ok lets play with that. Eventually I was able to get a slow warbled non useful sound out of the card by upping the buffers even more.

Ok, time to check those drivers. I had two choices, ASIO and WDM. The WDM are beta and do not come in the box so I downloaded them off the site, installed them and fired up Sonar.

My audio tracks played fine however none of my midi synths were working. Well actually about every 10 seconds I would hear one midi sound from either the bass or keyboards but not consistently. It was midnight, I had been working on this since 5PM, took an hour off for dinner though, but I’m done.

9AM the next morning

Called tech support and phone answered on the first ring (a very encouraging sign). The tech support person was polite, efficient and told me that everything was fine but I probably needed to get off the beta drivers and go with ASIO, much more stable in his words.

He also indicated that once you switch drivers in Sonar, that a reboot was required (not documented anywhere but hey, we were on a roll). I rebooted the machine and voila! The beast she works. I was very pleased.

Time for the listen test – LynxTWO vs M-Audio 24/96

You spend the money; you want to be sure that you are not getting ripped off. Is a $900 soundcard that much better than one costing $149?

I played my usual test files both commercial and home built mixes. The first thing I noticed is the tails of strings, guitars and pianos seemed to linger a few milliseconds; this creating an ambiance the same files did not have using my Audiophile 24/96. As some of these had been created on the 24/96, the conclusion is that this card does a good job of capturing external sounds but doesn’t do a good job of relaying the results. There were details in the files recorded on the M-Audio that the Lynx revealed. So, it’s true about having a quality DA solution for mixing. Not that I did not believe what everyone has been saying but it’s nice to verify it with your own ears.

Sound fonts sounded more realistic, much more detailed and believable. Reverb tails and overall halls sounds were much richer, once again, detailed and more professional sounding.

An unexpected result is the ability to hear compression more accurately. There were some files which had slightly too much compression, something I was not hearing prior. When I made the changes, slight adjustments in plug ins could also be heard vs. larger adjustments on the M-Audio that were required before I heard a difference.

The overall difference was a much more open and natural sound, reduced harshness in the upper end and a more 3 dimensional soundstage. Kind of the like the difference between two paintings; one that seeks to capture light the other detail. One is an impressionistic experience the other is like seeing, or in this case hearing, the actual thing.

Someone has already put up files on these two cards so I won’t duplicate that effort. I just wanted to pass along the experience that those files equate to my own listening experience.

If you want quality results you have to get to a certain level in your equipment, the difference in sound quality is very significant. I leave it to others as to whether the cost is worth it. I will say that Lynx tech support was stellar; no attitude and fast at diagnosing the problem. They get a few dings on user experience or OOBE (out of box experience) but all is forgiven with a response like their tech support provided. The product is running rock solid after about 6 hours and was also compatible with my UAD-1, praise the engineers that make this happen.
 
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mm,

I'm considering the LynxTwo "A".

A couple of questions...

Which model did you purchase?

You've now had it about a week. Still lovin' it?


Someone has already put up files on these two cards

Where can I find these?

Thanks!
 
Which model did you purchase? pdlstl, I went for the Model A


You've now had it about a week. Still lovin' it?

I am still getting used to the sound. It still amazes me how clear things are and how the subtle changes I make with EQ and Compression can be heard. I have not had time to track anything yet. I have mostly spent time learning the routing, which is not intuitive, and getting it set up in Sonar.

I have spent a good deal of time playing with existing mixes, trimming off the excessive high end which was in a lot of prior tunes mixed on the Audiophile 24/96 and that the Lynx makes apparent. One word comes to mind with this card, balance. It is very balanced across the spectrum vs. the excessive upper midrange bump I had thought was my monitors but turns out was the Audiophile. What this was doing was leading me to undermix mid range information and overmix the high end for which, after listening on a variety of other sound systems, including my car, I was always having to come back to make adjustments to get things sounding right.

With the Lynx it is immediately apparent that there is too little mid range in many of my mixes and I can take care of it while tracking or mixing instead of having to make adjustments on the final mix with the multiple burns required for listening in the car and then running in the house to make changes.

I will say it made my low end monitors, MAudio SP5Bs stand up and shout. I have the sub woofer and the low end is also much more defined and I may add, easier to mix. I can live with these awhile longer because I am getting solid results. (Although those Precision 8 monitors are on the horizon for later this year)

So, I am very pleased. The people at Lynxone have been great, answering tech calls on the first ring and not putting you through a phone system. Can you imagine that, great customer service in this day and age? There is a Yahoo forum for users too so plenty of shared experiences out there.

That's all for now. After I do some tracks later next week I will try and report back with any discoveries I come across. Regarding the files, it was in the microphone forum under the title "Just got the Lynx II !!! "

Thanks for asking.
 
Middleman said:
What this was doing was leading me to undermix mid range information and overmix the high end for which, after listening on a variety of other sound systems, including my car, I was always having to come back to make adjustments to get things sounding right.

This would be exceptional!

I recently experienced something similar to your ear-opening epiphany. I moved from Alesis M1 Actives to Mackie HR624's. Suddenly, my mixes came to life. Started hearing things I'd never heard before!

So, I'm not sure if my ol' heart could another improvement of that magnitude! :rolleyes: :)

Where are they selling them the cheapest? :D

Thanks and keep us posted...
 
pdlstl,

Don't do it (not if you record on a PC.) Go with a Layla 24/96.


Middleman,

I wish I'd known you were going to go with the Lynx...I would have advised you against it. I owned the LynxTWO A for two months; & sold it on ebay.

It hated XP.

It hated SONAR.

(I think it even hated me...it was becoming subjective,)

I experienced the kinds of system crashes that were, well...beyond blue screen...all the way to key windows components almost irretrievably dead.

Cakewalk told me they experienced similar results, and were unable to get the cards to work properly with their software.

If you start to get warning windows that read: "Unable to find the LynxTWO driver", or "No mixer device drivers are available"...give it the heave ho.

mark4man
 
Middleman,

Are you experiencing these kinds of troubles? :eek:

Inquiring minds want to know...

And M4M...did you experience this immediately or did it manifest over time? Which model?
 
My system has not crashed once. I occasionally get a weird loading time lag in Sonar when jumping from one project to the next. But no XP problems at all.

Sonar was a little tempermental with my 3 sound cards. I have the MOBO card for the cheapy mic I use for video cam stuff. I kept the Audiophile 24/96 just for the midi port and the LynxII does my Sonar sessions and Media Player sounds. After trying a straight up install leaving the other two soundcards going things went bad quickly. I ended up uninstalling the Lynx, cleaning the registry and deleting residual files on the harddrive. This was a pain in the butt. Finally it dawned on me to make the system work for me. I had to shut the other two soundcards off in device manager, install the Lynx, profile it in Sonar and play back and forth with the WDM vs ASIO drivers. The WDM were beta so I went with the ASIO because I liked the low latency.

Once I did this and brought the other two cards back on line, made Sonar only use LynxII ASIO, things have been smooth as butter.

Just a warning to others, this card is not for the faint of heart. It's highly technical in nature and the routing of the mixer is not intuitive or easy to learn. However, it is very powerful and designed for pro audio level usage. What does this mean? It means that it requires tweaking and is low on OOBE (out of box experience). It may not plug and run like the MAudio Audiophile and the software, while very comprehensive, is not easy recording 101 user friendly.

Once it is up and running, it is a thing of beauty to hear. I have just finished recording some vocals and they came out very high quality from the low end to the high end. I won't continue the rave here but the system is extremely stable at this point.

P4 2.26 Intel
Asus MB
768 Ram
3 HDDs System, Audio, Video
 
Just for the record I've been using the LynxTwo-C with sonar for almost a year now and haven't encountered any problems that mark4man has stated.

no offense to Mark but to tell Pdstl to go with a echo instead of a lynxtwo C its like comparing a BMW to a Hyundai. Basically I'm saying they aren't in the same class quality wise, and would be blasphemous IMO to say any echo product is an equal substitute
 
Well, I've posted these questions on more than one forum and the post from m4m is the only bad experience I've encountered.

Perhaps his issues were related to something other than the Lynx and only manifested themselves in the Lynx. :confused:

I think I'm still going with the Lynx because of the glowing reports regarding the audio quality of it.

Thanks all!
 
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