Low Frequency Oscillation

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Is there such thing as an LFO effect box? I'm interested in using this effect to give the impression of doubled guitar and vocals. LFO slightly modulates the pitch of a delayed signal, naturally thickening the sound. I used it in software before, and liked the result, it'd be great to be able to add this effect before it hit the board.

Does anyone know of a piece of gear that can do this? Cheap, if possible.

Thanks
 
a lot of synths have this feature, and some of them let you input audio from an external source that can be routed through the internal LFO's, etc.
 
Linchpin said:
Is there such thing as an LFO effect box? I'm interested in using this effect to give the impression of doubled guitar and vocals. LFO slightly modulates the pitch of a delayed signal, naturally thickening the sound. I used it in software before, and liked the result, it'd be great to be able to add this effect before it hit the board.

Yup. It's called a 'Chorus'.
 
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regebro said:
Yup. It's called a 'Chorus'.

No, it's not the same thing. Chorusing has a distinct sound, LFO is more of a filter than an effect.
 
Yeah, Chorus is the same thing. So is a phaser, and so is flanging. They all operate on the same principle of delaying the signal quick enough to not notice an audible repeat. And they use an LFO to do that
You can buy alot of hardware filters, like a Electrix Filter Factory or Filter Queen, or the sweet Sherman FilterBank. Line 6 also makes a stompbox that emulates lots of filters-Moog, ARP, Oberheim, as well as the Electrix and Shermans...Im not sure if it has an LFO or not


But, you can do this for free or much cheaper a thousand times with some software plug-ins

Give them a shot... if your software supports Real-time plug-ins, just add one before recording.
 
I like the kick drum through an LFO.........ahhhhh!....EARTHQUAKE!!!!!!!!!
 
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Linchpin said:
No, it's not the same thing. Chorusing has a distinct sound, LFO is more of a filter than an effect.

Well, it may not be what you wanted, but it's what you asked for. :)

You said "I'm interested in using this effect to give the impression of doubled guitar and vocals. LFO slightly modulates the pitch of a delayed signal, naturally thickening the sound." That's an exact description of a chorus. There are however both phasers, and oscillating wahs that may be what you want instead.
 
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Thanks

regebro said:
Well, it may not be what you wanted, but it's what you asked for. :)

You said "I'm interested in using this effect to give the impression of doubled guitar and vocals. LFO slightly modulates the pitch of a delayed signal, naturally thickening the sound." That's an exact description of a chorus. There are however both phasers, and oscillating wahs that may be what you want instead.

Yeah you're right. I'm not looking for a chorus or phaser though, I have both of those effects covered. Basically what I'm looking for is a box with a knob to set delay by the millisecond, and another knob to set the LFO at 0.x hz.
 
Boy, do I have the piece for you then... You want a Yamaha E-1010! Had one for about 4 or 5 years, but sold it not too long ago because it didn't output enough for a +4dBu or even 0dBu input. It's really designed to plug your guitar into and then out of the unit into your guitar amp.
 
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Linchpin said:
Yeah you're right. I'm not looking for a chorus or phaser though, I have both of those effects covered. Basically what I'm looking for is a box with a knob to set delay by the millisecond, and another knob to set the LFO at 0.x hz.

Well, fortunately for you, that's exactly what a Chorus does! So you don't need it, you can just take your Chorus! :)

http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Articles/Chorus/
 
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Recording Engineer [/i] [B] Boy said:
Well, fortunately for you, that's exactly what a Chorus does! So you don't need it, you can just take your Chorus! :)

http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Articles/Chorus/

No I can't. This is my Chorus-http://www.jakeelee.com/images/Equipment/Effects/boss-ch1-super-chorus.jpg

It will absolutely NOT achieve the effect I'm looking for. What are you trying to prove, that I'm not an expert? Well not many people on this board are. Congratulations, want a cookie? It's amazing how readily some people take being pretentious as a priority over giving practical aid. Get real.
 
Recording Engineer might have the product you want nailed, but it sound like if you want a delay of a milisecond, then a "chorus" is not it, because that shifts back and forth, you need a fixed delay right? The PolyChorus has an effect called Double Track that I HIGHLY suggest you go check out. You can mess with soooo many parts of the sound......and the pedal is far from the sound of any other chorus I have ever used, I can barely call it a chorus.
 
Yes I need a fixed delay that I can set to a range around 1-30 milliseconds. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll read up on the polychorus when I have some time. Thanks.
 
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Linchpin said:
No I can't. This is my Chorus-http://www.jakeelee.com/images/Equipment/Effects/boss-ch1-super-chorus.jpg

It will absolutely NOT achieve the effect I'm looking for.

Well, then you need to describe the sound better, instead of trying to explain it through it's implementation, becuase you are describing a chorus. If you have an example of it's use, it can be helpful to mention that, and we here can find the song in question and have a listen.

To achieve a doubling effect (which you said above you wanted) you can either use a chorus, a very short fixed delay (which is basically the chorus without the LFO part) or some subtle pitch-shift. To get the more filtery whah-whah sounds you also described, you can, as I already mentioned, use a phaser or an LFO-driven filter (some auto-wahs do that).

It's amazing how readily some people take being pretentious as a priority over giving practical aid. Get real.

Ah, so I'm not giving practical aid when I tell you how to do exactly what you ask? So, what should I do, read your mind? OK. Bzzzzzmmmmuuuuummm. OK, done, you are pissed because you think I made you look stupid. It's quite possible I did, even though that's not my intention. Get over it.

I have tried giving you advice on how to achieve what you ask for; I have also been nice enough to tell you that your technical implementation description is a chorus.
If you are gonne get mad at people for not being able to realize that you don't at all want an answer to the question you posed, but that you want a anser to a completely different question, then you are going to become angry very often. If YOU are unclear in your questions, that is not MY fault.
 
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regebro said:
Well, then you need to describe the sound better, instead of trying to explain it through it's implementation, becuase you are describing a chorus. If you have an example of it's use, it can be helpful to mention that, and we here can find the song in question and have a listen.

To achieve a doubling effect (which you said above you wanted) you can either use a chorus, a very short fixed delay (which is basically the chorus without the LFO part) or some subtle pitch-shift. To get the more filtery whah-whah sounds you also described, you can, as I already mentioned, use a phaser or an LFO-driven filter (some auto-wahs do that).



Ah, so I'm not giving practical aid when I tell you how to do exactly what you ask? So, what should I do, read your mind? OK. Bzzzzzmmmmuuuuummm. OK, done, you are pissed because you think I made you look stupid. It's quite possible I did, even though that's not my intention. Get over it.

I have tried giving you advice on how to achieve what you ask for; I have also been nice enough to tell you that your technical implementation description is a chorus.
If you are gonne get mad at people for not being able to realize that you don't at all want an answer to the question you posed, but that you want a anser to a completely different question, then you are going to become angry very often. If YOU are unclear in your questions, that is not MY fault.

Don't worry oh holy one. Since for some reason everyone else knew what I was looking for, I have the situation figured out.

I don't have the time or energy pursue petty bitch roasts on the internet. You're just one of the many people that use nitpicking and being a smartass as a form of ego-reinforcement. Thanks for your time. Just keep telling yourself you're special and everything will be allright. Of course, my money is on you blasting some more crap in my direction.
 
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Linchpin said:
Of course, my money is on you blasting some more crap in my direction.

Oh, of course. I have thrown a lot of crap here, haven't I? I fact, I'll think I'll repeat all crap I have thrown in your direction. Let 's see....

OK, done!

Let's see what you have thrown in MY direction:
Well, you have called me pretentious. And a smartass, an a nitpicker, and lastly, you have accused me of throwing shit at you.

Luckily, most people on this BBS see right through that type of behaviour.

Oh, and since you say that you have time or energy for petty bitch roasts on the internet, may I suggest that you don't start them in the future? Then you don't have to worry about them taking up your time, you know.


And yes, indeed somebody did know what you were looking for. In fact, besides my suggestion of a chorus, you have gotten the recommendations to get a PolyChorus or the Yamaha E1010 Delay/Chorus/Flanger. :D







Oops, now I made you look like an idiot again. But OK, I admit, THIS time it was intentional. You asked for it. :D
 
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regebro said:
Oh, of course. I have thrown a lot of crap here, haven't I? I fact, I'll think I'll repeat all crap I have thrown in your direction. Let 's see....

OK, done!

Let's see what you have thrown in MY direction:
Well, you have called me pretentious. And a smartass, an a nitpicker, and lastly, you have accused me of throwing shit at you.

Luckily, most people on this BBS see right through that type of behaviour.

Oh, and since you say that you have time or energy for petty bitch roasts on the internet, may I suggest that you don't start them in the future? Then you don't have to worry about them taking up your time, you know.


And yes, indeed somebody did know what you were looking for. In fact, besides my suggestion of a chorus, you have gotten the recommendations to get a PolyChorus or the Yamaha E1010 Delay/Chorus/Flanger. :D







Oops, now I made you look like an idiot again. But OK, I admit, THIS time it was intentional. You asked for it. :D


I haven't been able to find much on the Yamaha E1010. The poychorus has a setting on it called doubletrack, which, like I said, is basically what I'm looking for. It looks like it comes down to the fact that they just don't make exactly what I need yet. A box with delay that I can set 1-30 milliseconds, LFO i can dial in at 0.x hz, and maybe a sine/triangle/saw switch. Essentially just an LFO vst plug-in but in the form of hardware. You would think gear like this would be standard issue shit.

I made the mistake of saying a chorus isn't the same as LFO, and you made the mistake of assuming my that my chorus will work for fine for doubling an input.

On a side note, you sure are concerned with how you make someone "look" on an internet forum. That, to me, speaks volumes.

But do whatever you gotta do man. I'll let you go ahead and throw the last terd. This thread is a waste of bandwidth.


"My dog barks some. Mentally you picture my dog, but I have not told you the type of dog which I have. Perhaps you even picture Toto, from "The Wizard of Oz." But I warn you, my dog is always with me. WOOF!"
 
...............you two done yet?


Good. Now get to a store and acually TRY these pedals, and maybe even look for a standalone LFO. Checkout some HipHop websites on recording and see what they suggest to get better bass response. Seems to me there is a bit of bass on some of their recordings.
 
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