Low Cuts

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Hey Glen...here's my four grammys


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SouthSIDE Glen said:
Go right ahead. Bigger girls than you have been kicked of this board for doing exactly that.

And me, I'll be very happy to have another reason to leave this place. A jackass like you breaking federal law through internet stalking would be just the ticket.

G.
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breaking federal law? threatening to leave? kicked off the board?


what are you going for? best supporting actress in a drama?


get a grip :rolleyes:
 
kcearl said:
jeesus fuck, slow day? :laughings:
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Lol. No shit. That motherfucker can type a fucking serious essay post.

But, having said that, and there not being a snowball's chance in hell I'm reading any long winded shit in this stupid thread, I bet he's right on this one. Willy-nilly low cuts across the board are for retards. :D
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
And me, I'll be very happy to have another reason to leave this place. A jackass like you breaking federal law through internet stalking would be just the ticket.

G.
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Dude, get fucking real. You can't be "stalked" on a fucking free public internet message board. You have the options of whining to a mod, using your ignore list, or simply clicking the red x at the top of the screen. This isn't the first time you've thrown around ridiculous law claims. Get a grip. As far as the topic of this thread goes, you are correct, so just be happy with that and quit being such a girl.
 
Man.... don't do that you just scared all the low end out of me!!



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Greg_L said:
Lol. No shit. That motherfucker can type a fucking serious essay post.

But, having said that, and there not being a snowball's chance in hell I'm reading any long winded shit in this stupid thread, I bet he's right on this one. Willy-nilly low cuts across the board are for retards. :D
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I guess I'm a retard then, because I high pass EVERY track. EVERY track has low end energy it doesn't need. The low end of the frequency spectrum also has the most energy, so it uses up headroom faster than the mids or highs.

Since I started high passing everything, I'm much more satisfied with the sound of my mixes. Even after high passing individual tracks, I still sometimes need low cuts on the mix.

I gotta say I'm with kcearl on this one. And by the way, I low pass tracks too. Every vocal or instrument has it's sweet spot. Cutting away un-needed highs removes harshness from the mix as well.
 
High end consumer speakers (Im talking over a grand per) can reproduce frequency response: 30-23,000 Hz. Mid range consumer speakers maybe 45 to 20,000. Low end, what most listeners use is alot less. So why waiste energy on frequencies most consumer equipment cant reproduce. I LPF and HPF my final mixes. I always cut below 40 and above 20,000. On a kick and bass guitar during mixing its to taiste. Sometimes I cut them as high as 80. Electric guitars, I tend to HPF anywhere from zero to 120. Toms and snare from zero to 120. Overheads from zero to 320. If its just acoustic guitar and vocals, I dont HPF anything. You only have so much space for all your tracks and the number of tracks makes a difference too. Your gonna get answeres all over the place. Joe says yes, Bob says no, the bottom line is, there is no right or wrong way, its what sounds good to you. Play with it !!! But !!!! Remember most consumer stuff cant produce below 49, and trying to do so can hurt the sound. So at least cut the final mix. :drunk:
 
guitar zero said:
I guess I'm a retard then, because I high pass EVERY track. EVERY track has low end energy it doesn't need. The low end of the frequency spectrum also has the most energy, so it uses up headroom faster than the mids or highs.

Since I started high passing everything, I'm much more satisfied with the sound of my mixes. Even after high passing individual tracks, I still sometimes need low cuts on the mix.

I gotta say I'm with kcearl on this one. And by the way, I low pass tracks too. Every vocal or instrument has it's sweet spot. Cutting away un-needed highs removes harshness from the mix as well.
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:laughings: :laughings: :laughings:

Okay, carry on then.
 
Maybe you guys cutting/high-passing everything need to re-examine your tracking techniques and rooms.
 
Im building a hearing aid that cuts out everything under 100Hz...Im sick of the muddiness in the world..I need clarity!!! :D


ftr I was just saying that its more than just the internet thats saying this...


and the last time I did it everyone remarked how clear my mix was...


and I won another grammy.....you get them outside the bingo :laughings:
 
Ok, so here is something interesting. Before I decided to attack this mixing thing because it was a huge bottle neck in our productivity we had a a buddy of ours from NY give us a good mix to present a couple of our songs to a label. This kid is nice and he actually mixed one of last years biggest Top 40 hits. Today I had him send me the sessions so I could study what he had done. It turns out he barely did anything! Here I am low cutting everything trying to get clarity and all he did was level, EQ a few select things, add some reverb and delay and his mix is butter. So I guess it proves after all that you don't need to low cut everything. I'm still in awe over how he accomplished such a clear mix with such minimal processing but I just gotta go in there and work more.

Haha and btw, after reading where this thread went I have a feeling I'm gonna enjoy talking on here.
 
bdam123 said:
Ok, so here is something interesting. Before I decided to attack this mixing thing because it was a huge bottle neck in our productivity we had a a buddy of ours from NY give us a good mix to present a couple of our songs to a label. This kid is nice and he actually mixed one of last years biggest Top 40 hits. Today I had him send me the sessions so I could study what he had done. It turns out he barely did anything! Here I am low cutting everything trying to get clarity and all he did was level, EQ a few select things, add some reverb and delay and his mix is butter. So I guess it proves after all that you don't need to low cut everything. I'm still in awe over how he accomplished such a clear mix with such minimal processing but I just gotta go in there and work more.

Haha and btw, after reading where this thread went I have a feeling I'm gonna enjoy talking on here.
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That's the thing: Sometimes you barely need to do a damn thing. Sometimes you DO need to cut all over the place. Sometimes you go on long stretches where you run into material that all seems to want the same type of treatment.

That's all good. If you have to low-cut everything for an entire 5-year span, no problem. If you run into a song that barely needs any mix at all, fine.

As long as you hear it, understand it, and do it with purpose, you won't go wrong. But broad mixing formulas lead to trouble.

That's all I'm sayin'.
 
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bdam123 said:
Today I had him send me the sessions so I could study what he had done. It turns out he barely did anything! Here I am low cutting everything trying to get clarity and all he did was level, EQ a few select things, add some reverb and delay and his mix is butter. So I guess it proves after all that you don't need to low cut everything.
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That's right...applying LPF and HPF on everything, multiple times as some automatic SOP...is really NOT the way to go.

I low cut...but I do it during the mixdown, and I do it selectively based on a track's audio content. So, for one track I might roll off -2dB at 125Hz, but for something else it might -5dB at 200Hz...etc.
I usually boost the low end first for each track and listen for the center frequency that is the most annoying/resonant, and that is usually the point where the cut needs to be made.

Again...I think the biggest issue is the monitoring system that is being used and the room.
Also...this new approach of mixing specifically for crappy/narrow bandwidth playback systems/formats...well, is that really helping our audio cause????
I would think those of use who record would be more focused on forcing/driving end users toward higher quality audio instead of giving in and dumbing it down for them. :o

That's like a painter saying "Fuck it, no one wants to take the time to go to an art museum to look at oil paintings hanging on a wall...so I'm going to just use a digital camera and post electronic images on the Internet instead of painting with oils." :D

Audio art is being driven by consumer's need for inexpensive convenience...so we're shooting ourselves in the foot by giving in to that instead of being smart and holding everything up to a higher standard.
 
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