Love for Sure - A song for my wife

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Hi All,

As the title says, this is a song for my wife. However, it's also the first song I've ever written! It's pretty simple, and was recorded with a Fostex MR-8, using a Studio Projects B1 mic. I'm very new to recording, so any input would be helpful. I'm also just learning to get comfortable with singing, so I can tell that at times my self-conciousness holds me back.

Feel free to comment on recording, music, vocals, etc... I'm happy for any comments!

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=2408&alid=-1

Thanks :)

Adam
 
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Ok, I think I just set it so all users can download.

However, I'm able to stream the lo-fi version with no problems. Not sure about hi-fi, as I have a really slow internet connection. :)
 
Well your improving ... levels are much better. Actually the voice and guitar don't sound too bad sound wise. Sounds like your having fun anyway.

maybe I could suggest:

1) watch your vocal pitching .. 85% is ok but you tend to be flat in certain places. Try tracking multiple takes and choose the best bits between them for create one virutal good take.

2) some rythm elements of some sort would really help this song. For a ballard like this some shakers or quiet rimshot would be a good start.

3) at least double the guitar at the start, i.e. record a second version .. and pan it differently. solo guitar additions at the end were good.

4) add some kind of bass instrument. It doesn't have to be a complex part ... anything will do.

By the way ... great subject for your song.

Cheers
dres
 
dres said:
Well your improving ... levels are much better. Actually the voice and guitar don't sound too bad sound wise. Sounds like your having fun anyway.

maybe I could suggest:

1) watch your vocal pitching .. 85% is ok but you tend to be flat in certain places. Try tracking multiple takes and choose the best bits between them for create one virutal good take.

2) some rythm elements of some sort would really help this song. For a ballard like this some shakers or quiet rimshot would be a good start.

3) at least double the guitar at the start, i.e. record a second version .. and pan it differently. solo guitar additions at the end were good.

4) add some kind of bass instrument. It doesn't have to be a complex part ... anything will do.

By the way ... great subject for your song.

Cheers
dres

Thanks Dres, I really appreciate the comments.

I'm kind of in the dark as far as music creation goes, so these sorts of points are just what I'm looking for. I just told my wife today that I needed to get a shaker lol. I don't have any percussion instruments...

I still have a lot of learning to do as far as piecing together bits from individual tracks, but I hope to get with it soon. It's clear that my voice isn't always "on" lol, but I'll keep working on it.

And BTW, what instruments are typically used to provide a bass part, other than a bass guitar?

Thanks,

Adam
 
well you can use some kind of keyboard/synth for bass but in my opinion these is no substitute for a real bass guitar.... perhaps you can tinker with playing your guitar like a bass and using a pitchshifter to put it down an octave.

I don't want to give you "gear lust" (see my lastest song) ... there's a lot to learn before buying lot's of gear.
 
Hey Adam: Welcome to the horribly frustrating world of home recording. I started recording about 2 years ago (at 31), and this sounds better than my first recordings. Nice tune too.

Now for the productive part: :D
Don't be afraid of the "pan" knob, LOL. This sounds like everything's pretty much right up the middle, which gives the recording a mono sound. Pan the lead offcenter a bit, and same thing with different vocal parts.

It sounds to me like the guitar was played without a pick. I'd recommend using a pick, because it gives a bunch of cool high end to the guitar that's not gonna' be there otherwise. If you are using a pick, maybe you need to change the strings, because the guitar sounds kinda' "dead." :(

Did you play the guitar at the same time you sang the lead vocal? If so, you might try recording them seperately so the guitar isn't quite so Accented with the vocal, if that makes any sense. With something like this, it almost requires a VERY steady, boring guitar part, even if it's just arpeggiated. If you tracked them seperately, you might try filling in the gaps in the guitar pattern with another guitar. In fact, I record a bunch of acoustic stuff, and my favorite method is to play the same thing 2X, as close as you can, pan one to the left and one to the right. It'll give a much better sense of "stereo," because nobody can play the 2 parts exactly the same, and the differences give the recording a much "bigger" space.

On your vocal, I liked the reverb a ton...what are you using? As far as the vocal itself, I think you might wanna' take another stab at parts of it...for example, the very first word "SOFT," you kinda' slid all around it before you landed...LOL. Also, on a lot of the "It's Love For Sure's", it's pretty obvious that you're reaching, but you're kinda' being quiet at the same time, so it's very VERY hard to pull it off in key. This'll sound lame when you read it, but you should try really forcefully singing those parts a few times before you hit the "R" button so that you're comfortable with it...and don't be afraid to really belt it out to warm up. Also, if you're recording the vocal with headphones on, try taking one ear off so you can kinda' hear yourself in the room...it makes you sing louder.

Another thing I've been doing lately (well, sometimes), is to set the track up, and record the vocal all the way through 3 times so that you can pick and choose the best lines out of each take. I don't know if that's even possible on the gear you're using though, so forgive my ignorance here.

Finally...did you record using some kind of metronome? I think that's really important on stuff like this, especially if there are breaks, so that you can sync up different tracks. The solo parts were kinda' out of sync, and there were some timing issues when you're using backup vocals. (e.g., 2:21)

IT'S LOVE FOR SURE @ 2:02, that vocal distorted. Same thing at 3:14 and 3:30 on "FOR".

Wow, I know this sounds like a ton of negative stuff, but I just really get off on trying to sound smart...LOL. Seriously, it's all pretty standard advice here, but it took me months to figure out a lot of the stuff I just typed; so I'm trying to help. Don't hate me. :D :D

Post lots,
Chris
 
adams said:


And BTW, what instruments are typically used to provide a bass part, other than a bass guitar?
I see that dres and I covered a lot of the same ground, lol.

As far as the bass issue goes, I bought a cheap one that I've struggled with for a long time. But for my last 2 posts here, I just used the bottom 2 strings of an acoustic guitar, mic'd with a regular old SM58, VERY close to the sound hole.

I've never gotten so many postive comments on my bass sound, LOL. Worth a shot, anyway.
 
Hi chris ... gee were a friendly bunch aren't we ? ;)

I fully agree with nearly everything Chris said but with one small caveat:

Beware the metronome. For some people it works and for some it doesn't. The reason I say this is because I recorded for about 2 years with it before I realised it was sucking all the life out of my music. Try versions with and without ... it may take a few songs and a few months to work it out whether your a metronome person or not... judge it by the final product.

And above all ... have fun !
 
Hey chris here's something you can try with your bass that I've found quite effective. Now I know this sounds bizarre but try micing your bass guitar .... there's a little trick you can do to acousticly amplify the bass content... While your playing press the end of the bass into a wooden object like a door or table .. hey presto enough bass sound to mic .. and can sound better than cheap electric pickups. Obviously the mic needs to be real close.

Another 2 cents in the ring.
 
chrisharris said:
Hey Adam: Welcome to the horribly frustrating world of home recording. I started recording about 2 years ago (at 31), and this sounds better than my first recordings. Nice tune too.

Now for the productive part: :D
Don't be afraid of the "pan" knob, LOL. This sounds like everything's pretty much right up the middle, which gives the recording a mono sound. Pan the lead offcenter a bit, and same thing with different vocal parts.

It sounds to me like the guitar was played without a pick. I'd recommend using a pick, because it gives a bunch of cool high end to the guitar that's not gonna' be there otherwise. If you are using a pick, maybe you need to change the strings, because the guitar sounds kinda' "dead." :(

Did you play the guitar at the same time you sang the lead vocal? If so, you might try recording them seperately so the guitar isn't quite so Accented with the vocal, if that makes any sense. With something like this, it almost requires a VERY steady, boring guitar part, even if it's just arpeggiated. If you tracked them seperately, you might try filling in the gaps in the guitar pattern with another guitar. In fact, I record a bunch of acoustic stuff, and my favorite method is to play the same thing 2X, as close as you can, pan one to the left and one to the right. It'll give a much better sense of "stereo," because nobody can play the 2 parts exactly the same, and the differences give the recording a much "bigger" space.

On your vocal, I liked the reverb a ton...what are you using? As far as the vocal itself, I think you might wanna' take another stab at parts of it...for example, the very first word "SOFT," you kinda' slid all around it before you landed...LOL. Also, on a lot of the "It's Love For Sure's", it's pretty obvious that you're reaching, but you're kinda' being quiet at the same time, so it's very VERY hard to pull it off in key. This'll sound lame when you read it, but you should try really forcefully singing those parts a few times before you hit the "R" button so that you're comfortable with it...and don't be afraid to really belt it out to warm up. Also, if you're recording the vocal with headphones on, try taking one ear off so you can kinda' hear yourself in the room...it makes you sing louder.

Another thing I've been doing lately (well, sometimes), is to set the track up, and record the vocal all the way through 3 times so that you can pick and choose the best lines out of each take. I don't know if that's even possible on the gear you're using though, so forgive my ignorance here.

Finally...did you record using some kind of metronome? I think that's really important on stuff like this, especially if there are breaks, so that you can sync up different tracks. The solo parts were kinda' out of sync, and there were some timing issues when you're using backup vocals. (e.g., 2:21)

IT'S LOVE FOR SURE @ 2:02, that vocal distorted. Same thing at 3:14 and 3:30 on "FOR".

Wow, I know this sounds like a ton of negative stuff, but I just really get off on trying to sound smart...LOL. Seriously, it's all pretty standard advice here, but it took me months to figure out a lot of the stuff I just typed; so I'm trying to help. Don't hate me. :D :D

Post lots,
Chris

Wow! Thanks for putting so much time into your response. I need all the help I can get, so don't be afraid of bruising my ego lol ;)

I do have pan knobs on my recorder, but I wasn't really sure when to use them and on which parts. hehe. I'll experiment some.

And the guitar was played without a pick (at least the strumming part). I didn't realize that the pick would make a big difference in recording. Something else to try.

The reverb on the vocals is just from a reverb button on the Fostex MR-8. The unit has almost no effects except for reverb and delay, and then knobs to adjust the amount of each on each track. I may overdo it with the reverb, but when you only have two effects to choose from you, its hard to help yourself! lol

I know that I need to really just start singing, but I'm just getting the confidence to try, and last night I was trying to record the vocals without my wife hearing so it could be a surprise for her ;) Kind of combination of trying to sing loud while trying to be quiet :confused:

Anyway, thanks for all the comments. They're much appreciated. I've learned so much from browsing these boards and I can see I'll keep learning more.

Thanks,

Adam

P.S. I'm trained as an elementary school teacher, so I've got lots of patience with the learning process lol
 
Yep the table.... the vibrations are transmitted phyically to the table and because it's got a much bigger surface area you get more sound. Try whatever flat surface is feasible ... I've got a wood wardrobe that works well.

Just try it .. you'll get the idea.

And your wife will think you've really gone mad ;)
 
really cool....off key slightly in spots....and a "first song" its great my first songs were complete shit....guitar is a touch out of tune too....ok maybe not might have just fretted it out a bit...






cool im sure your wife loves it ...and yes if you sung this withut any self conciousness it would be a ton better....dont worry you will eventually....

jamal
 
Hey man...for a first song and first shot at recording sounds pretty good. One quick thing you could do right away to get a fuller sound is to play the guitar part twice and pan one hard left & on hard right. Put the vocal & accoustic lead part in the middle. (there were some pretty long posts that I didn't read, so maybe that got covered already) :D

(Psss...I'm pretty new at this stuff so someone may come an knock my advice down...).
 
Jamal- Thanks for the comments. I'll be working on really just singing it without worrying... And my wife was quite happy I think, considering I haven't really played music much since we've been married, and now I have a song for her :)

Jagular- I'm planning to try with two guitars parts panned opposite like you suggested. And I'm happy with it as a first try. I try not to be too critcal, as I know my limitations at the moment. It was a blast making something though!

Thanks :)

Adam
 
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