Lots of DELTA AUDIO 1010 QUESTIONS...

[pacman9000]

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/MAudio-Delta-1010-PCI-Digital-Audio-System?sku=701340


RE: DELTA AUDIO 1010

"Having at least a GIG of RAM, and hard drives that transfer using ATA 133mhz are a must, most people that have problems with multiple tracks stuttering, are due to less than a gig of ram and slow hard drives. You may get it to work with less, but heavy loads(multiple track and several effects) require the RAM and HD speed."



the spec page for my computer (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...94088&query=presario 6027US&dest_page=product)
says my hardrive is....80.0 GB UltraDMA...


Does anyone know how fast my hardrive is???

DO YOU THINK MY HARDRIVE IS FAST ENOUGH?


I will upgrade to 1gb of ram, I only have 512mb.









also, a bunch of people on that review page are talking about headphone amps and pre-amps? does that mean they are mixing with headphones? can you really tell if you're getting great audio quality with headphones?


"Coupled with an Alesis Studio32 mixing board and a Rolls 5 channel headphone amp, I have logged many hours using the 1010."

"and stereo out runs to a pre-sonus HP4 headphone pre-amp with monitor control. With the HP4 on vol. 2 and the computer set at default – the 1010 SHINES.

why does this guy need a 5 channel headphone amp? is he doing all his mixing using headphones??

 

[Minion]

Well you pretty much need preamps to use the Delta 1010....The Delta 1010 has Line level Inputs which means you can"t plug Mics directly into it (well you could but you wouldn"t get a very good signal).....

And if you don"t have Monitors you are also going to have either get some or get a Headphone amp and Mix with headphones......


So once you have a Delta 1010 doesn"t mean you can just start recording Right off the bat unless you are recording everything DI or useing Midi or Loops or have an external Mixer that has Preamps.......
It basicly just offers multiple Inputs and outputs into and from your computer you still have to be able to utilize those inputs and outputs useing other outboard gear Like preamps (if you are recording with Mics) and Monitors and Mixers ect.....


Good luck

 

[tmix]

I have an older Pentium 3 700 mhz running windows 98se.
I have 2 Delta 1010s running as well as a couple of Lucid converters.
I can get 32 plus tracks playing back without an issue, I can record 18 - 20 tracks simultaneously as well.
I have the westrn digital 8 meg buffer 7200 rpm drives.

A lot of what causes problems is the software you use, how cpu intensive it is. Your Motherboard can sometimes be an issue as well.

Tom

 

[lomky]

I have a mac g4 933 and a 1010, it has served me pretty well for many years. I'm looking at upgrading shortly, but my 1010 must have heard me because it just recently decided to pack it in. The dip switches on the back have been crackling for a long time, but if you don't touch them they are fine. But, I restarted my comp a couple of days ago an on startup a loud buzzing sound started (almost like CRT interferance, but different). I found alot of info about blown capacitors on older units (which mine is), I sent an e-mail to M-audio and they said the Delta series has a lifetime warranty, so I'm waiting to see what happens.

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

I've got a Yamaha board running into my 1010, and a decent computer as well. I wouldn't worry about an UDMA hard drive not being fast enough: you're just fine. More memory=good, lots o' processor if you wanna run effects like eq, reverb, compression, etc. on multiple tracks.

Yep!

 

[pacman9000]

I've got a Yamaha board running into my 1010, and a decent computer as well. I wouldn't worry about an UDMA hard drive not being fast enough: you're just fine. More memory=good, lots o' processor if you wanna run effects like eq, reverb, compression, etc. on multiple tracks.

Yep!

well, mild reverb and eq on drums and vocals is pretty standard for me, I hope my processor can handle it, I don't do anything too dramatic but I will probably put reverb/eq/compression on more then 1 track.

I have a mac g4 933 and a 1010, it has served me pretty well for many years. I'm looking at upgrading shortly, but my 1010 must have heard me because it just recently decided to pack it in. The dip switches on the back have been crackling for a long time, but if you don't touch them they are fine. But, I restarted my comp a couple of days ago an on startup a loud buzzing sound started (almost like CRT interferance, but different). I found alot of info about blown capacitors on older units (which mine is), I sent an e-mail to M-audio and they said the Delta series has a lifetime warranty, so I'm waiting to see what happens.

thanks for the response let us know what happens with that, I'd like to see if they honor that policy they referred to in the email.

 

[pacman9000]

I have an older Pentium 3 700 mhz running windows 98se.
I have 2 Delta 1010s running as well as a couple of Lucid converters.
I can get 32 plus tracks playing back without an issue, I can record 18 - 20 tracks simultaneously as well.
I have the westrn digital 8 meg buffer 7200 rpm drives.

A lot of what causes problems is the software you use, how cpu intensive it is. Your Motherboard can sometimes be an issue as well.

Tom

thanks!

So hey, some people are saying programs like "SONAR" (is that sonic foundry or cakewalk?) uses more cpu then say "TRAKTION 2"....if that is true, does that mean that you can get a more detailed sound, and better reverb, eq and compression etc, out of a program that uses more cpu?

 

[pacman9000]

Also, How do you know in advance how much CPU a particular program uses, on average and/or with eq and efx...?

 

[djchris73]

Does anyone know how fast my hardrive is???

2.0 GHz is how fast your PROCESSOR is.

DO YOU THINK MY HARDRIVE IS FAST ENOUGH?

Yes, I'm no computer wizard but the spec you're worried about is Processor speed not the hard drive speed. I think. Your hard drive is big enough at 80G.

also, a bunch of people on that review page are talking about headphone amps and pre-amps? does that mean they are mixing with headphones? can you really tell if you're getting great audio quality with headphones?

In the studio where I apprenticed and in most professional recording studios, speaker monitors are used for mixing in a room that had been treated acoustically. I don't think it's possible to accurately mix in headphones. I'm sure somebody will say something to the contrary. Delta 1010's do not have mic Pre-amps. This is not a bad thing. You need mic pre's to boost mic level signals to line level so that your mixer/audio interface/recorder/etc can use it. Mic level is too small. It's another cool toy to buy, bro.

why does this guy need a 5 channel headphone amp? is he doing all his mixing using headphones??

He probably has five musicians/vocalists that need a monitor mix. In other words, so they can hear themselves when recording.

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

While processor speed is more important (unless you're using protools tdm but let's not get into that), hard drive speed can be a possible factor depending on how many tracks he's talking about. However, as he said he has a UDMA hard drive, they have an available bus speed of 133 mb/s (although in practice they run at much lower speeds). You won't have any trouble doing 36+ tracks with a standard hard drive these days: leastways, your problems won't be hard drive related

 

[djchris73]

So hey, some people are saying programs like "SONAR" (is that sonic foundry or cakewalk?) uses more cpu then say "TRAKTION 2"....if that is true, does that mean that you can get a more detailed sound, and better reverb, eq and compression etc, out of a program that uses more cpu?

Personally, bro, and this is just my own humble opinion, I do not have my computer perform frequency processing (equalization), dynamic processing (compression/limiting/gating) and time based processing (reverbs/chorus/flanger). I treat my computer like an old school 24 track tape machine. My computer's job is to record audio and play it back to me. That's it. Well, that's not entirely true. I do use Automation envelopes on Sonar (riding faders on a board are a b**ch). I perform all of the above mentioned tasks with outboard gear and my mixing console.
This does not seem to be the norm around these parts. And that's ok. I've read that if you are going to have your computer do all of the above mentioned stuff, it is recommended you have at least two hard drives. Three preferably. One for your Recording software. One for your recorded audio files. And one to handle all your plug-ins (comps/fx's/eq's/soft synths). Again this is just my humble opinion.

 

[pacman9000]

2.0 GHz is how fast your PROCESSOR is.Yes, I'm no computer wizard but the spec you're worried about is Processor speed not the hard drive speed. I think. Your hard drive is big enough at 80G.In the studio where I apprenticed and in most professional recording studios, speaker monitors are used for mixing in a room that had been treated acoustically. I don't think it's possible to accurately mix in headphones. I'm sure somebody will say something to the contrary. Delta 1010's do not have mic Pre-amps. This is not a bad thing. You need mic pre's to boost mic level signals to line level so that your mixer/audio interface/recorder/etc can use it. Mic level is too small. It's another cool toy to buy, bro.He probably has five musicians/vocalists that need a monitor mix. In other words, so they can hear themselves when recording.

well i was reading something that said that hard drive speed (as well as ram speed) can be an issue, also, I know people use headphones to record obviously, but I don't think you can mix accurately with headphones, better to mix with cheap consumer speakers then headphones I would say...but I get it now cos I didn't realize the delta doesn't have a headphone output.

 

[pacman9000]

2.0 GHz is how fast your PROCESSOR is.Yes, I'm no computer wizard but the spec you're worried about is Processor speed not the hard drive speed. I think. Your hard drive is big enough at 80G.In the studio where I apprenticed and in most professional recording studios, speaker monitors are used for mixing in a room that had been treated acoustically. I don't think it's possible to accurately mix in headphones. I'm sure somebody will say something to the contrary. Delta 1010's do not have mic Pre-amps. This is not a bad thing. You need mic pre's to boost mic level signals to line level so that your mixer/audio interface/recorder/etc can use it. Mic level is too small. It's another cool toy to buy, bro.He probably has five musicians/vocalists that need a monitor mix. In other words, so they can hear themselves when recording.

well i was reading something that said that hard drive speed (as well as ram speed) can be an issue with MTR, also, I know people use headphones to record obviously, but I don't think you can mix accurately with headphones, better to mix with cheap consumer speakers then headphones I would say...but I get it now cos I didn't realize the delta doesn't have a headphone output.

 

[djchris73]

...well i was reading something that said that hard drive speed (as well as ram speed) can be an issue....

I read the specs on your computer. The hard drive speed is fast enough.

...also, I know people use headphones to record obviously, but I don't think you can mix accurately with headphones, better to mix with cheap consumer speakers then headphones I would say

I thought I mentioned that.

...but I get it now cos I didn't realize the delta doesn't have a headphone output....

That's why God made mixers. You are considering buying Delta 1010's or 1010LTs. What are you gonna do with all them gozintas and gozoutas? You are gonna need a console/board/mixer. Listen with headphones through your board. I swear pacman...... J/K, bro. I was the same way, too.

 

[pacman9000]

well dood the specs say that it's 80gb ultraDMA hardrive but what rpms does it spin at????

5400?

7200?


damnnit, i wants to kno

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

Dude, I'm not gonna lie, it doesn't really matter and you're not listening to what we're saying. How the hell are we supposed to know how fast your hard drive is? Look it up!

 

[pacman9000]

Dude, I'm not gonna lie, it doesn't really matter and you're not listening to what we're saying. How the hell are we supposed to know how fast your hard drive is? Look it up!

deewwwd, wut r u talkin a-bout u m0rOn, i gave you the specs, i looked up da specs, da specs does not say what is the speed ov da hd, do u git it re-tard?

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

Wow, what a great, cohesive, well written argument! I suppose I'll strain my grammatical abilities in order to communicate a little closer to your level:

"Eat a dick, dumbass."



*edit: P.S. I've been building computers for the last 6 years & recording on them for the last 8. My guess is I probably know a shitload more about this than you do, so why don't you sit back, shut up, and actually take a minute to read our comments?

 

[djchris73]

well dood the specs say that it's 80gb ultraDMA hardrive but what rpms does it spin at????

5400?

7200?


damnnit, i wants to kno

Bro, I told you, your computer's hard drive is fast enough, because it's new enough. I know that answers is not technical enough, but it's true, I swear. And the remark to Steve H was uncalled for, bro. Let's be civil, homey.

 

[pacman9000]

Wow, what a great, cohesive, well written argument! I suppose I'll strain my grammatical abilities in order to communicate a little closer to your level:

"Eat a dick, dumbass."



*edit: P.S. I've been building computers for the last 6 years & recording on them for the last 8. My guess is I probably know a shitload more about this than you do, so why don't you sit back, shut up, and actually take a minute to read our comments?

ok, how fast is an ultraDMA hardrive then since you build computers you should know, it's a very simple question so why not answer it instead of actin like a jackass, but i bet you're full of sh1t and it's oozing out of your eyes, ears, and fingers.