Looks like 2.0 is finally here

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we don't need rest!!
as of today...I think you can download 2.0 from syntrillium. ...allright!
 
It's about time

and it's cheaper than the older versions too
awesome!
 
Yeah, it is cheaper than previous versions, and the download upgrade for holders of 1.X versions is only $79. I have an idea about what their marketing strategy is, but I want to wait for comments about 2.0 before I talk about it.

You can download a free 21-day demo (19 MB), if I'm not mistaken.

Anybody up for comparing impressions about it?
 
dobro said:
Yeah, it is cheaper than previous versions, and the download upgrade for holders of 1.X versions is only $79. I have an idea about what their marketing strategy is, but I want to wait for comments about 2.0 before I talk about it.

You can download a free 21-day demo (19 MB), if I'm not mistaken.

Anybody up for comparing impressions about it?
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I"ve been using CEP for years and 2.0 has everything I ever wanted and then some! Unfortunately, it's about 2 years too late. I've been using Nuendo and Samplitude and doubt I'll bother with version 2. I'll still use 1.2 as my Swiss Army Knife, though. I guess another way to look at it is like a 4 track cassette multi-tracker... I'm sure the new ones are awesome compared to a few years ago, but why bother when you get a digital recorder with more options for about the same money?

I see CEP becoming less Pro and more CEHH (cool edit home hobbyist)
 
hey JR#97, I wouldn't compare any version of cooledit pro to a 4 track cassette. Its a 64 (stereo)track highend digital recorder. Your way of the mark.

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"I see CEP becoming less Pro and more CEHH (cool edit home hobbyist)"

Less pro.......geeeeezz.

I would say that cooledit pro is less wanky than other stuff like pro tools or nuendo.

But I guess it depends on what you do with it. If your into techno sampling and electronica the maybe nuendo is better but I havn't used it so I don't know because i couldn't get it to run on my computer. What I do know is that cooleditpro is great for multitrack recording. Great for recording bands.
 
Scott Tansley said:
hey JR#97, I wouldn't compare any version of cooledit pro to a 4 track cassette. Its a 64 (stereo)track highend digital recorder. Your way of the mark.
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It was an analogy.... older 4 trackers vs newer 4 trackers and digital trackers ..... CEP 1.2 vs CEP 2.0 and other multi-track programs.

I'm not dissing CEP. It's still an awesome program for the money and when it first came out, it was head and shoulders above just about everything. I'm just dissappointed it took so long to release 2.0 and only to see features other programs have added in the interum.

CEP is a great multi-tracker and new CEP does multi-tracking even better than version 1. However, there 5 or 6 programs that have been doing that for a long time. Hell, in my opinion even N-Track became better than CEP 1.2 for multi-tracking. Nuendo and Samplitude still blow CEP out of the water for multi-tracking, but unless you've used them, it's hard to be on the mark, eh? CEP is still the best editor around though.
 
Okay, I think I *will* comment on how I see Cool in the whole market - I think JR and I are seeing something similar. I don't think Cool is less pro, but I think they are aiming at the homer market, and I think that's why it's so cheap. Like JR said, it's got everything a homer wants, its quality is proven, and it's cheaper than most others for what it contains and what it does. I don't think Syntrillium are trying to sell it to pros. If you read some of the comments about 2.0 over at the Syntrillium board, some of the people who use it for their work (radio guys, audio restoration guys) are disappointed with it because it doesn't do much more for them. But for me! Damn!

So far, here's what I see as points in its favor:

1 It's familiar. Less to learn.

2 Real time effects. Yes!

3 That bus system is a real time saver. I'm doing loads of backing vocals, and being able to group those tracks for effects and such is great.

Point against:

That bloody compressor seems unchanged. WTF?

Question: does anybody see much value in that Organizer Window?
 
Point for: looping's cool.

Point against: loads of people are reporting that 2.0 crashes a lot. I'm going to put it through its paces this weekend and find out for myself.

Question: what's that mixing window about? All it does is replicate the controls on the left side of Multitrack. It's just for working the bus, right? So, why'd they put the master gain control in the mixing window? Doobers.
 
Ill diss!

Sure... I ask nicely.. and nothing. NOW that im a full TWO WEEKS into my project.. NOW they release it.

NICE WORK FELLAS!! But Im not changing horses midstream. Sticking with Nuendo.

punks.

xoxo
 
Oh camn honey, tisk tisk. Never mind shit always happens.

Whats your honest opinion between nuendo and cooledit.
 
Red Rover

Think you're right about the 'Homers' market (Doh!) when you look at the Red Rover product they're selling too.

I like the idea but I'm sure I could whip up something that did just as much (maybe not the LED display etc) but for any MIDI compatible audio prog (not just Cool Edit) and for cheaper.

Eeek I'm thinking like Behringer now! Except I won't sell my thing, it'll be a web page with schematics and bits and how to put it together.

I think I'll make it specifically for n-track studio to start (as this is what I use now since I gave up with Cool Edit Pro SE) and see if anyone is interested in programming it for other progs.

Blatant idea stealing I know but most of the best ideas in the world were borrowed and I'd have to be someone special to have an 'original' idea :)
 
The new CEP is very cool..But still at least a year behind. the overall program seems stable on my system.
I had quite a few fx flyin before it bogged down too much. I too don't see much use in the organizer window. The loop features aren't much if you totally rely on loops for drums, synths, fx..etc. I use Acid pro for all that stuff.
One thing that bugs me...In ver 1.2a when you selected a piece of a wav in the multitrack view, and selected "edit wav" it would have that exact same piece selected in the wav editor. In version 2.0 When i do this...it brings me to the wav editor and has nothing selected...and shows even the stuff i deleted off the track in multitrack mode. I looked for a setting to change it...but had no luck..I'm hoping I overlooked something.....
Anybody??
 
Maybe I can answer half your question. If you delete a portion of a track in 1.2 Multitrack, it doesn't change a thing in the original wave file which appears in Edit view. Which means, if I understand what you're trying to do in 2.0, that the two progs are the same.

But if 2.0 doesn't carry multitrack highlights over to edit view like 1.2 does, how are you supposed to cut the heads and tails off all your individual tracks so they're all the same length? Cue points, I suppose. I'm finally gonna hafta learn how to use cue points. Damn.
 
Scott Tansley said:
Whats your honest opinion between nuendo and cooledit.
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I've been using Nuendo for about 6 months now. For multi-tracking, it blows the doors of CEP. But you're also looking at more than twice the price. But for that money, you get an awesome mixing interface, midi playback, VST plug-in and VST instrument support, better interfacing with other hardware peripherals (ie. ADAT, video, etc.) There are still some quarks in Nuendo that I don't like, but what Nuendo doesn't do, I can easily do in Samplitude. Samplitude is the most powerful DAW program, in my opinion. But it has a very steep learning curve and isn't as intuitive for editing as CEP and bit clunky for multi-track. It's also a resource hog. Samplitude is a tad bit more expensive than CEP.

For editing, CEP is still king.
 
I have always loved CEP for editing but have yet to try a multi track recording with it. I've been fighting Logic for a few months now and that software is the toughest program I have ever learned. You cant do anything beyond the most basic operations without opening the shitty manual. I was considering CEP2 for a painless mult track so I'm curious what any experienced users have to say about it.

How are the real time effects? Are they worth the purchase alone?
 
TexRoadkill said:
I have always loved CEP for editing but have yet to try a multi track recording with it. I've been fighting Logic for a few months now and that software is the toughest program I have ever learned. You cant do anything beyond the most basic operations without opening the shitty manual. I was considering CEP2 for a painless mult track so I'm curious what any experienced users have to say about it.

How are the real time effects? Are they worth the purchase alone?
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A lot of it depends on what level you're mixing at. Do you need explicit control over every little thing? If not, CEP is great for multi-tracking. Use some creativity, and you can get around of some of it's limitations (that statement was based primarily on version 1.2, not 2.0) Emagic's (ill)-Logic is a butt to learn. I tried the Roland Studio Pack and it took me an hour just to lay down to tracks!
 
Im falling in love all over again. I dont know what all the criticism is all about. Real time effects!!! Hooray. You couldnt design a more intuitive and functional interface if you got all the people at emagic, steinberg, sound forge and the rest of em togeather and locked them in a room for 2 years. I think CEP2 is pretty much unstoppable.

The dynamic delay is a probably the best new effect. The dynamic EQ is very usable and interesting. Also the added presets show new sides to old effects that I hadnt seen.

The metering alone makes it worth the $80 upgrade. Bright and clear. I cant believe I went this long without decent metering in CEP. Also my plugs work much quicker and smoother than they did in CEP 1.2.

I concur with the sentiments above about syntrillium shooting for the home amateur market but so is M-audio, Studio Projects, Joe Meek, Art and Soundcraft. That doesnt mean they dont make serious products.
 
"Im falling in love all over again. I dont know what all the criticism is all about. "

Well, if you're home recording, then 2.0 is the noise. No doubt about it - real time fx, looping facility, bussing, midi... What all the criticism is about (if I exclude comments from people who are into audio restoration, and disappointed because 2.0 doesn't move on at all from 1.2 for them) is that it crashes like a sonofabitch, according to the reports of many early users.
 
ok, scott, honey;)

I havent even tried the Demo of CEP 2... so I'll just be comparing v1.1 and Nuendo... which I dont think is exactly FAIR.. but here goes.

Nuendo is WAY more expensive. Got mine of another studio that went Pro Tools...so not so big a deal to me.

clearly.. the interface on CEP is way more tape-maching-like.. which means more intuitive for introductory users.

Nuendo... doesnt crash.

CEP has its editing envelopes overlapped ON the wavfile... which is nice... whereas Nuendo has a seperate track. BUT Nuendo has envelopes for almost EVERYTHING... including effects coming if... eq'ing.. etc. AND it sounds better!! maybe it autofades ends or something... but I never hear thos POPS and stuff when i chop shit out like in CEP. Its seamless. I can lay 3 takes right on top of eachother and just >scrape< off the bad notes... uncovering the good ones underneath. EASY. Oh. and realtime effects. need em. Or at LEAST real time EQs!

god. I could go on and on. Bottom line: Nuendo is WAY better. Like, orders of magnitude. Especially after you work with it for like, one song (learning curve my ass.. )

BUT I havent done any EDITING yet... so far we're just into Drum and Bass.. and our rhythm section is tight as hell.
 
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