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talontsiawd
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Ok, i found they are older reveal's. How would they compare to those listed above?
Looking for moniters that i can live with for the rest of my life
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ofajen
Daddy-O Daddy-O Baby
To clarify, the MediaDesk does use a Vifa tweeter, but it is the BC25, not the XT19.
Cheers,
Otto
TexRoadkill
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Just thought I would chime in...
As the physical dimensions of a room get smaller, such as comparing a dubbing stage (30,000 cubic feet) to a typical control room (3000 cubic feet), the acoustic conditions change as well. The biggest change occurs at low frequencies, which in a large space is an issue relating to low frequency reverberation time. When you move into a smaller studio, the main acoustic factor at low frequencies is room modes, or standing waves.
In an AES paper by Louis D. Fielder of Dolby Labs ["Subwoofer Performance for the Accurate Reproduction of Music," Journal of the Audio Engineering Society, vol. 36, June 1988], it was demonstrated that smaller sealed rooms, such as the typical music studio, exhibit a 12 dB per octave gain below 30 to 35 Hz (this typically occurs below the lowest room mode). This 'room gain' response perfectly matches the sealed box response of our subwoofers (-12dB per octave roll-off, below their cut-off frequency), allowing for incredible in-room low frequency extension, down to below 20 Hz in many cases. Compare this to a typical ported or passive radiator roll-off of 24 dB per octave - or greater, and you can see why we prefer this design for small room monitoring applications.
For more information, please follow this link:
http://www.abluesky.com/asp/news/newspage.asp?id=75
I hope this helps...
Cheers!
Thanks for that explanation. 3000 cu/ft seems more reasonable. I just can't imagine trying to mix in a less then 2000 cu/ft room just for the sake of the sub considering all the other problems a room that small can cause.
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
I personally like NS-10s but it's pretty hard to find a pair for $200. $350-400 is closer to the normal price. New woofers and tweeters alone will run you $200 per speaker and the woofers should be replaced every year or so. Once you get into the real cost there starts to be better options out there.
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jerrycan
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In the process myself, with about the same budget. Found reviews of most of the ones mentioned below on the Soundonsound site, worth a read to get started. The HR824/HR624 seems to have been updated to Mk2 recently and kind of a personal favourite of the reviewer, but Adam Audio A7, Dynaudio BM5, Tannoy Reveal 8D and Event TR5/TR8 are also listed. Site policy don't allow me linking, but a search will find these easily.
In the process myself, with about the same budget. Found reviews of most of the ones mentioned below on the Soundonsound site, worth a read to get started. The HR824/HR624 seems to have been updated to Mk2 recently and kind of a personal favourite of the reviewer, but Adam Audio A7, Dynaudio BM5, Tannoy Reveal 8D and Event TR5/TR8 are also listed. Site policy don't allow me linking, but a search will find these easily.
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ofajen
Daddy-O Daddy-O Baby
Problems notwithstanding, I suspect that a majority of HR members mix in rooms smaller than 2000 cu. ft. I'm not suggesting that anyone should seek to mix in small rooms. Most of us are stuck with the room we've got, at least for a while. So, we try to find an appropriate system for that room.
The point is that as the room volume increases, the system capacity of the monitors needs to increase in order to maintain adequate maximum SPL across the full frequency range. Bigger rooms need bigger drivers, boxes and amps to maintain that performance level. Monitor makers sell systems of all sizes to work in different rooms. You could always buy a bigger system and use it in a smaller room, but you will be spending more than you need to.
I do believe that typical nearfields alone are for the most part inferior to either full-range monitors or a satellite/subwoofer system like Blue Sky, where the subwoofer is an integral part of the system and easy to mesh with the satellites. Most nearfields are ported designs designed for the unfortunate possibility of use without a proper sub, so they have a high-Q low frequency resonance to extend the low end response of their tiny cabinet a little bit lower. That usually results in distortion, compression and low-frequency phase shift. And the bottom octave is still missing.
Cheers,
Otto
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talontsiawd
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Yeah, i was going through that earlier, and accouple other sites. Then i just browsed accouple forums for awhile. I like to get the widest range of responses i can. Sometimes, an amature who doesn't know exactly what they are doing can help as much or more than a professional who is going to beable to use any playback system and get better results than i would. I'm going to hopefully get to listen to a few of these in the next few hours but that usually confuses me more.
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Ironklad Audio
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what the hell for??
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talontsiawd
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Well, i was able to do some listening today. GC center in my area was really not on their game. Half of what they had wasn't hooked up right, more than one speaker was hooked up to another mismatched speaker. Listening closely when you are frustrated is hard.
So far i found that i absolutely love the dynaudio bm5a's. They are the only moniters i heard that really have my contemplating saving.
I was really impressed with the new KRK vsxt 8's from a listening perspective but i just felt like they were "lying" to me a bit. Plus, they were way too much for my room.
They didn't have the event tr8's which was dissapointing because i found some decent ones used but it's a drive. I did listen to the ASP8's and for the money, i wasn't that impressed. They were good but not $1000 good.
They had on KRK V8 that i could have got for nothing since it wasn't even in their inventory but only one so i was worried about finding just one more.
Lastly, i check out those Tannoy Reveals (old version). They were very clean sounding but i was in a totally different enviornment, with no other speakers around. The low end was worse than i thought but it was playing of an ipod and the listening position, room, etc, wasn't close to what i'd be useing. I'm strongly concidering these though because of the price. The only problem is i will have to use a sub alot more than before.
Anyway, just an update of what i thought, and wondering if people had similar experiences. It's hard to figure out at this guitar center because of alot of BS. I won't even comment on the mackies i heard because they had such a bad hum i couldn't realistically make a judgement.
So far i found that i absolutely love the dynaudio bm5a's. They are the only moniters i heard that really have my contemplating saving.
I was really impressed with the new KRK vsxt 8's from a listening perspective but i just felt like they were "lying" to me a bit. Plus, they were way too much for my room.
They didn't have the event tr8's which was dissapointing because i found some decent ones used but it's a drive. I did listen to the ASP8's and for the money, i wasn't that impressed. They were good but not $1000 good.
They had on KRK V8 that i could have got for nothing since it wasn't even in their inventory but only one so i was worried about finding just one more.
Lastly, i check out those Tannoy Reveals (old version). They were very clean sounding but i was in a totally different enviornment, with no other speakers around. The low end was worse than i thought but it was playing of an ipod and the listening position, room, etc, wasn't close to what i'd be useing. I'm strongly concidering these though because of the price. The only problem is i will have to use a sub alot more than before.
Anyway, just an update of what i thought, and wondering if people had similar experiences. It's hard to figure out at this guitar center because of alot of BS. I won't even comment on the mackies i heard because they had such a bad hum i couldn't realistically make a judgement.
TexRoadkill
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The rubber surrounds start to stretch. That's based on every day use. I forgot most people probably don't use them that often. If you're only using them on weekends then they can last quite a bit longer.
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
Nearfields are nearfields. You wouldn't expect them to fill a large room but there's no reason they wouldn't work properly in their usual sweetspot even outdoors. I can understand how Blue Sky is using a small room's modal tendancies to exaggerate the sub's bass response, just like sticking a sub in the corner, but the idea that you need bigger speakers just to mix in the nearfield seems like overkill to me.
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ofajen
Daddy-O Daddy-O Baby
Obviously, we have different views on whether it's important to hear the bottom octave when mixing. I don't ever find it overkill to have accurate, full-range monitors, but lots of people make do without them and that's fine.
I will point out that Blue Sky is not using modal tendencies in small rooms to get extended, flat low-end response. The low frequency range where "room gain" occurs is below the lowest mode in the room. They design the systems with anechoic response that is flat down to the point that room gain starts to come in and their acoustic suspension system naturally rolls off at 12 dB/octave, which matches the room gain, so that the real world response can end up being flat down to 20 Hz or so, which is a good thing. That's just good engineering for which they deserve credit.
The one thing I find unfortunate is that the vast majority of nearfields end up with the problems that come from a ported design (distortion, compression and low end phase shift) because many people are going to use them alone and want to at least feel a hefty bump at around 60 to 70Hz or so, even if there is little but mischief below that in the speakers' response.
Cheers,
Otto