looking for Cymbal

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OK - On allot of today's music, you hear the drummer riding on crash type cymbal instead of the ping of the ride. The crash cymbals I have now get too loud and overwhelming to do this. Does anyone know what kind of cymbal would get the results I am looking for?

Thanks!!
 
A 20" medium crash.

That's basically what most people use for what you are talking about.




Tim
 
This question has been asked a thousand times in the last few weeks - use the search function:D

What you need is a ride with a thinner makeup and less 'ping', that you can get some decent overtones from. I use a 20" Zildjian Avedis and it's great for that.
The other option is to get some softer crashes and ride them.
 
I'm assuming you're looking for a more full sounding crash that doesn't decay too much when you ride it. You'll need at leasdt an 18" cymbal and I wouldn't go any bigger then a 19" crash if you don't want it to be too overwhelming. However some people may suggest a 20", not me. If you already have a ride with a "Ping" sound, Trust me I wouldn't get rid of it. There's always a time when you realize you DO want a ping sound and you're sick of only having a ride that crashes and decays when you're trying to play some intricate sticking patterns). So I would suggest buying a second cymbal that can serve as the ride that you crash (or the crash that you ride).

Maybe you're other crashes are smaller (16") and that's why they're too overwhelming when riding them: they're producing more of a quick bite and you want more of a wash.

Try using Sabian AAX Crashes, in particular a studio crash (Not AAXtreme though). The AAX series is very controllable...you can just barely touch them and they'll respond fully (and more quietly) without hitting the cymbal really hard to get it's FULL sound out of it. But when you do bash the AAX cymbals hard, they'll give you the volume. Very versatile.

I don't suggest buying a cymbal with a "Brilliant" finish (shiny like a mirror when new) because they tend to sound a little glassier and brighter, thus giving the cymbal more volume (seemingly) as compared to a cymbal which is "Natural" finish.

Another option is Sabian "Sound Control" crashes. They're made with a flanged edge which helps control the overtones produced, and generally lower the volume of the cymbal when you want it to be controlled. They also manufacture Sound Control Rides.
Go to: www.sabian.com, and listen to the cymbals you're interested in. You can read descriptions and listen to a recording of the cymbal either with a pattern, or being struck.

Have fun and good luck!
 
I recommend an A Zildjian 18" crash/ride. These are medium-thin in weight and have that slightly "'out of control" ride sound. Think of that Beatles song Come Together. Is that what you are searching for?
 
Thanks for all of the advise? I currently have 16 and 18" med thin Zildjian crash - and a 21" rock ride - that is my ping and bell ride.
 
well, perhaps a lighter stick or a modification in technique would yield the desired results. Is the sound you are looking for perhaps a china type cymbal?
 
Maybe it's the sound I am hearing from behind the kit and not out in the crowd. It just seems to be a bit loud from where I am at. Really a med-thin should be ok - I am referring to Foo Fighters and greenday. They like to ride that crash...
 
dwkman0117 said:
Maybe it's the sound I am hearing from behind the kit and not out in the crowd. It just seems to be a bit loud from where I am at. Really a med-thin should be ok - I am referring to Foo Fighters and greenday. They like to ride that crash...
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they also beat the shit out of the drums and cymbals. you can crash even a very heavy cymbal if you hit it hard enough. if you want that at a lower volume, thinner plates are a general answer, but there is more to it than thickness alone. i have owned and played both lighter cymbals that werent very washy, and large and heavy cymbals that wobbled like grandma in the cafeteria line.

below is some good reading and insight on cymbal construction by mike skiba, known and respected on the interwebs as an authority on custom cymbals, including general manufacture, and re-hammering/re-lathing.
http://www.cymbalholic.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=35

unfortunately, the admin of that site do not allow new registration. a real shame, as i am sure there are lots of people with lots of good info and experience to add.

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I have a 18" Paiste 2002 crash, which works for that purpose, when hit lightly.
 
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