Looking for a synth in the market (non newbie)

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This is whats up with me; When I goto class and use my schools facilities, I use the triton rack, cubase sx 3, and halion+samples.
I do rap production here the the bay area, and the style is hyphy, so im strolling thru the tritons electronic sounds which it has a lot of, my friend has a motif and of course we all know the motif is crazy nice, but it lacks electro sounds which he always griped about, with the trition Ive been finding electro sounds and getting lost. But now I want new types of sounds, synth types, like saw leads and simple sine waves. I want to generate sounds that cant really be coppied and are new. So I've been looking at the DSI Evolver, I like that its analog and digital, I want to expirement with this to get some sounds that the triton will never possess. The most I use on the triton are the noisy stabber and rave ribbon, and im pretty sure I can create sounds similar or even better with the evolver unit. (Im talking about the monophonic desk version of course)
My delima is this, I only have $400 and im saving up for it, but in the meantime should I just pick up a korg electribe mkII and then get the evolver later?
I dont care for the sequencer on the electribe at all lol or the evolver (but its sequencer is different)
I just want to know if korg wasnt cheap and the electribe has some electro sounds of the triton on there I could relate to. If not then I dont want to waste my time and I'll wait for my analog/digital goodness.
What are some of everyones oppinions? I would like to hear them.
 
You need to learn to actually program your synth. You do know that you can do that, right?

I think either the Triton or the Motif will give you the sounds you want (I have both). You don't buy those guys for the presets, do you?
 
faserhutch is absolutely right. If you have never actually patched a synth the the Evolver will be way over your head and the triton has a more than enough power to any synth sound you want
 
Actually I take that back haha, I was really tired around 2 a.m.
I do reprogram the triton, all the time actually.
Im just getting tired of the sounds lately and I want something thats really new
 
"Reprogram"???

The only way you'll EVER get "sounds that cant really be coppied and are new" is to either program them yourself, or to pay big bucks to have someone program them for you.

I think if you've really delved into progreamming your Triton we wouldn't be hving this conversation. And I don't mean just modifying the effects. I mean programmign your own patches.

It surprises me that people get tired of synths so easily. I think most people get tired of the presets. I am beginning to tink that we are spoiled by the glut of affordable synths to the point where they almost become a disposible commodity.

What exaclty is it that you are looking for that you cannot get from your Triton?
 
its not just everyone uses the triton, but its also to me the triton has this distinct sound, and I want something away from it
 
altitude909 said:
lol, thats because you have heard the presets so many times.
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Agreed, that's what I'm getting at.

Trust me, he real pros who use this board don't use presets. :D
 
My guide to learning to program a synth :-

1) overwrite ALL presets with patch -init- or equivalent.

2) go buy the book "Power tools for synthesizer programming" by Jim Aikin and read it from cover to cover and work through the projects , do this until you understand each chapter and section in full .

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0879307730?v=glance

3) goto access's website and download the programming guide by howard scar or just click on this

http://www.access-music.de/downloads.php4?product=virustikeyboard&file=167

Again , study it and apply the principles to your synth until you are familiar with all of the techniques that it covers.

If anyone sayes "thats for the virus only" i'll poke you in the eye. With most synths once you learn the basics you can apply basic programming techniques to any synth on the market. Subtractive synthesis is subtractive synthesis no matter what flavour it comes in.

4) spend hours and hours experimenting , playing , tweaking your gear until you can think of a texture and then translate it into a patch. It is not hard once you understand the underlying principles.

I ditched my gear 20 years ago (jup8 sh101 poly800) went into a store last year bought my first synth for 20 years and could program familiar patches within about an hour after i figured out my way around the vsynth menu's .
 
cortexx said:
1) overwrite ALL presets with patch -init- or equivalent.
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Not the way I do it.

There's a whole bunch of donkey work involved in bringing a patch from an initialized state to an interesting bass sound. Or an interesting pad sound. Or an interesting anything sound.

You need a reasonable starting point to keep yourself from having to do the same hundred steps every time you're in a programming mood just because those are the steps it takes to get your particular machine to make a cogent noise.

Jimmy Jam of Flyte Tyme said 'I don't mess around with programming. Those people at the factory are the experts' --- and I laughed long and hard. But there's truth in that. You need to be a musician, composer, lyricist, arranger and if you add synth programmer to that it's one heavy load to carry. I do 'reverse engineer' synth patches that I especially like and I think synthesizers are fascinating things. But it bores the hell out of me to work from an initialized patch every time.



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ssscientist said:
Not the way I do it.

There's a whole bunch of donkey work involved in bringing a patch from an initialized state to an interesting bass sound. Or an interesting pad sound. Or an interesting anything sound.

You need a reasonable starting point to keep yourself from having to do the same hundred steps every time you're in a programming mood just because those are the steps it takes to get your particular machine to make a cogent noise.

Jimmy Jam of Flyte Tyme said 'I don't mess around with programming. Those people at the factory are the experts' --- and I laughed long and hard. But there's truth in that. You need to be a musician, composer, lyricist, arranger and if you add synth programmer to that it's one heavy load to carry. I do 'reverse engineer' synth patches that I especially like and I think synthesizers are fascinating things. But it bores the hell out of me to work from an initialized patch every time.



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Actually I do agree with this but to learn the basics this forces you to actually put time in to learn to program properly.

Once you learn to do this making your own templates is very effective and i have done just that ;)

I also make templates for mod routing on my virus that serve as a starting point rather then templates based on oscillator settings and filter settings etc.
 
mmm... Be Careful

Please PLEASE backup the factory presets first if you decide to do this...
I agree with ssscientist... Starting from an **init** patch was great when you had two Oscillators, 2 Envelopes, 2 Amps and no effects...

Nowadays there are sometimes thousands of parameters... And learning what each and every one does from scratch can be very painful...

Yes Explore, Yes Expand...
""Init"" one user bank or something... Program that...

I'd hate to have to program a piano from ground Zero...
And it would be nice to come back to the base sounds when a programming session gets 'real heavy' one night...

Good Luck...
 
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