looking for a HUGE ryth guit sound

[anawim]

all i'm using right now is a shure beta green 2.0 and a cad tom mic. it used to be that i could stick that bg2.0 in front of my fender princeton chorus (offset by about 2-3 in.) and get a monster tone. now, i'm using a kustom 250A head w/ a kustom 4x12 reissue cab, and i get really harsh mids & his. the princeton has 2x10...shouldn't my new cab give me more oomph? what's the best placement to get big tone?

 

[cominginsecond]

Big recorded tone has nothing to do with big speakers. You can get big tone on tape using one of these: http://www.emerysound.com/Cabinets.html.

 

[mkeene]

Ive always found that double tracking a rhythm part with slightly different reverbs and or delays and panning both signals to opposide sides worked pretty well. It didnt matter wether it was a 4x12 cab or an 8" speaker. Experimentation is key to getting the sounds you want...
-Mike

 

[Chrisjob]

Cominginsecond, The link doesn't work

But his advice is right on....the size of the speaker is pratically irrelavent to you tone options. Try 1 inch off the grill, at about a 45 degree angle

 

[cominginsecond]

For some reason the script that runs this website added the period to the end of the URL.

http://www.emerysound.com/Cabinets.html

 

[Fletcher]

Small amps often render the "biggest" tones... for gaining an even larger sound that will be easy to mix, you might want to try a second guitar part that is even more sparse in nature [lots of whole notes]... and things like 'open tunings' on those secondary parts will increase the size and add an interesting texture while leaving lots of 'real estate' for things like vocals.

Best of luck.

 

[TexRoadkill]

Somtimes you can get a bigger sound by using a room mic and then compressing it. A little bit of slap back delay can also add a sense of space.

 

[Chris Shaeffer]

The biggest sounds I've gotten involve several steps

1) Get the guitar and amp sounding just right in the room you will be recording in.

2) Get you mics placed correctly to get the best sound to your recording device.

3) Play at least 2 takes of the same part with the exact same setup.

4) Play around with panning your parts in different ways.

I find that 2 or more mono parts sound better in stereo than 2 stereo parts panned differently, though that can work too. It just gets busy.

If that's not what you are looking for, try changing the EQ, verb, and/or delay for the 3rd and 4th takes and pan them out as well.

The key is to have several different performances. I don't know of any other easy way to get a huge sound without a really nice room, amp, guitar and a forest of mics.

If you are using a DAW, you can "cheat" by pasting Take 1 Verse 2 under Take 1 Verse 1, and pasting Take 1 Verse 1 under Verse 2, etc. Depending on your playing ability, it is usually faster to just play the part again.

In the mixing, as Tex said, "a sense of space" is really important to big guitar sounds. I find that delays are more effective than verbs as verbs tend to wash the sound out and diffuse it unless you use a light touch.

Have fun! Big guitars are always and adventure.

Take care,
Chris

 

[cominginsecond]

If you are using a DAW, you can "cheat" by pasting Take 1 Verse 2 under Take 1 Verse 1, and pasting Take 1 Verse 1 under Verse 2, etc.

Good idea, though you'd have to be playing to a click track or some kind of metronome or midi. If the tempo fluctuates at all, this wouldn't work.