logic pro 9's plugins

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bit of a random question and I don't know where to put it, but are the plugin's that come with logic pro 9 any good compared to the packs you buy like "massive"?
thanks
 
it's an odd one; there's nothing particularly bad about the stock logic plugins but there are other plugins that sound much better in certain situations. I've not used the "massive" pack (i had to google it!) or any particular set of plugins but have used and/or bought a lot of individual plugins that fill my needs. Sometimes this is because they offer something that the stock logic plugins don't (like a decent tape emulation, and i tried the tape delay trick and i felt a bit "meh" about it) and sometimes it's because i've found plugins that simply sound better than the stock logic ones for certain things. For example, i picked up (and can't stop going on about, sorry) the Focusrite Midnight plugin suite (you could argue it's a set, i still think two plugins doesn't constitute a set!); one EQ and one Compressor. I tried them and loved the sound of them and they've become my "go to" EQ and comp for vocals, acoustic guitars, snare, and overheads. At the same time i was also trying the DDMF 6144 and found that worked really well on electric guitar, bass, kick, and toms so bought that as well. Now, do they work every time? no, but then again nothing does really. Are they better than the stock logic plugin equivalents? yes, but only in the right application. Sometimes the stock logic compressor (utilising the different circuit types and output distortion) is much more appropriate, and sometimes the stock logic EQ is just very very useful because of it's 8 bands and pretty much infinite overlap between bands.

I've used logic for years (from Logic 5 on a PC many years ago) with just the stock plugins and never had a problem. However, i do like the plugins i have bought, but i did trial a shedload of plugins before choosing what to buy and in the ones i tried some sounded worse than the logic ones and some simply sounded very similar and i therefore begrudged paying for more of the same thing. There were some outstanding ones which i just couldn't afford and most of those were the emulations of hardware.

I fear i've talked in circles, sorry Ollie :p my advice; trial anything that you're interested in buying and see how it sounds in general, A/B it with the Logic equivalents, and think about how much you'd use the new plugins. if the answers are "they sound immense, piss all over the logic ones, and i'd use it all the flippin' time" then buy it :D
 
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In my opinion, I believe the stock plug-ins that come with Logic are the best out there, aside from Reason 6. You should not have a problem getting good mixes using just the stock plugs.
 
thanks guys, the thing is, this is actually for my brother. I record more metal music and things like that, and he wants to do electronic music, and he wants to buy a mac with the korg kaossilator pro and logic pro to make this, but I keep telling him that he doesnt actually need the kaossilator and if the plugins on logic pro arent that great then he'd want to invest on some others, but thanks.

He also (annoyingly) has in his mind that the only way you make good music is with logic pro because its the best. He is being very ignorant as usual and not listening to me when I say that if you know your way around everything just as well then a product like reaper (which I use) is just as good at getting good results, and his reply to that is, "what's reaper? sounds crap because it sounds like raper". he is very knew to recording.
 
ollie99 said:
he wants to do electronic music,
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Tbh, i've personally met very few guys who exclusively make electronic music who use Logic (or Reaper) as their main DAW. A couple of them use Logic for tracking a vocal part here and there but for the bulk of it the guys i know use either Ableton or Reason for everything and swear by them
 
Justsomeguy said:
Tbh, i've personally met very few guys who exclusively make electronic music who use Logic (or Reaper) as their main DAW. A couple of them use Logic for tracking a vocal part here and there but for the bulk of it the guys i know use either Ableton or Reason for everything and swear by them
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well I could say that to my brother but he wouldn't listen, so why do you people use ableton and reason for that?
 
There's no arguing with close-minded people.

I use Reason. It's awesome! Especially for electronic. The synths in there are great! Very user-friendly.
 
This is first reply i got to my question on Facebook;

the question "Sooo.... for those of you that make electronic music (house, dub step, elctro, etc etc etc) a couple of quick questions;

What DAW do you use & why?
Would you/have you ever tried using Logic or Reaper to make electronic music?
Do you think Logic or Reaper could/would be better or worse for making electronic music and why?"

the first answer from a very old student of mine;

"I use logic for making dubstep, electro house and dnb. So yes i would consider using it. Id say its as good as, and probably better than other DAW's for making it as it is versatile (e.g reason does not have the ability to record audio) very simple to use and has large compatitbility with software instrument/effects plug ins and a large built in selection of instruments and effects."

Actually really surprised, i was convinced he'd moved over to Ableton :rolleyes:
 
hmmm, that's interesting, I didnt know reason couldn't record audio? I mean, you could always record it in another DAW and import the wav files into it but thats still inconvenient
 
You see, i thought in the newer verions of Reason could record audio. infact, i thought that was one of the big selling points to Reason 6 and 6.5. That's what it seems to say on their website. I know the older versions couldn't
 
Oh balls, my argument is quickly going down the pan; another old student of mine responded;

"Logic FTW! I have always used it because it's simple and the VST's are pretty awesome :)"

Although, 1) i may have to remind him that VST's and Logic don't play together very well and 2) as these guys were old students of mine they are slightly biased as we use Logic 8 as our main DAW at college for everything. We have Reason 3.5 (which defiantly doesn't have a record function) which we use as the basis of a couple of projects but, outside of that, most of our students stay in logic purely because they are comfortable with it
 
oh yeah, it does seem so, maybe that is why more people are moving to reason now since these later versions are out
 
yay, someone in support of my thinking (and not and old student of mine);

"Ableton... Rock solid for dance music... Logic has a huge following though, if I had to go for another one that's where I would go..."
 
I'm not sure if I follow.
With clue a being "Massive" and clue b being "electronic"
I'm guessing by plug ins you mean VSTs to make music with and not like compressors and stuff right?

Massive is a Native Instruments synth that's pretty killer.
I love it.

Also: Ableton FTW :D
I use Cubase and Ableton, and Ableton is definitely what I would recommend if I had a younger brother looking to get into electronic music.
It's great for sketching quickly, and includes a lot of solid virtual instruments and processors for a beginner to tinker with.
 
Their good if you know how to use them. Its like asking if Pro Tools stock plugins are any good. Are the fully featured like some waves and UAD no. But doesnt mean they are not good. If you have crap tools and a GREAT engineer it will be good regardless. Use them, proly in conjunction with some high end plugins and see.
 
jaynm26 said:
If you have crap tools and a GREAT engineer it will be good regardless.
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This. ^^^


I use Reason 6 by the way Ollie. It is the first edition of Reason that allows you to record.

I'm limited to using stock plug-ins, unless I REALLY want a specific effect and want to switch to another DAW to use the plug-in. I can get an awesome sound with those stock plug-ins. Easily the best stock plugs out there. Probably because of that limited use.
 
Thanks guys, so basically, logic is fine for making electronic music, and if you know how to use them the synths and stuff work great. But maybe, considering he has so much money to play with he should buy a proper pack for flexibility perhaps?

Also, kidkage, he's actually my older brother and in about a month maybe less he has to take out all his bonus bonds (money which has been built up over the years from our grandparents putting £25 in every christmas and birthday). One day I will have the same :D
 
ollie99 said:
Thanks guys, so basically, logic is fine for making electronic music, and if you know how to use them the synths and stuff work great.
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As you gain more exp you will find the tools do not make the engineer rather the engineer makes the tools. No car mechanic has one tool, Why? Cause no car is the same. Same applies to audio eng's as you see no eng mentioned here has one tool they have several based off preference but mostly off what they feel is best for the task at hand. No song is the same every time. Eng's use of logic, pro tools, reaper, reason, fruit loops various tools in their tool box is used for what's best for the job and they make the tool as simplicit or low quality as it may seem they make it work it's an art. Most important you will never tell the difference if it's Picasso or an imitation.
 
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