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Newbie-Doo
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Just how much string is the "right" amount to wrap on a locking tuner post? 1 wind, 1/2 wind, .0735 winds?
sile2001
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As far as I know, it doesn't really matter. I just pull the string through until there is no slack in the string anywhere between the bridge and the tuner post and then I lock it down and tune up. Maybe it's not the "right" way, but it hasn't failed me yet.
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-=¤willhaven¤=-
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you probably dont want the string tension pulling directly on the edge of the string hole, you want it pulling on the post of the tuner instead. so i'd say that 1/2 wrap would be minimum in my opinion.
i always start off with a little bit less slack and i always stretch my strings all the way up and down the neck 5 or 6 times before they start to stay reasonably in tune.
i always start off with a little bit less slack and i always stretch my strings all the way up and down the neck 5 or 6 times before they start to stay reasonably in tune.
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Newbie-Doo
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Finally got my first set of locking tuners and feel like I am missing the point by winding the string around more than once.
Somehow doesn't seem right though!
I like to wrap 'em all the way down till they are just about to touch the bottom of the post. I like the guitar to resonate and it seems to me that you would get more string vibration transferred to the body by having more string wrapped around the post.
Somehow doesn't seem right though!
I like to wrap 'em all the way down till they are just about to touch the bottom of the post. I like the guitar to resonate and it seems to me that you would get more string vibration transferred to the body by having more string wrapped around the post.
ibanezrocks
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You don't want too many windings around the post no matter what kind of tuners. If you have too many windings it'll take longer for the tension to pull the string windings tight to the post, meaning that it'll take longer to break the strings in and they won't stay in tune as well. For non-locking I always go 4 or 5 windings for the wound strings and 5 or 6 for the unwound strings. I don't know a lot about locking tuners, but I definitely know you don't want that many windings on there. I agree with WillHaven, you want it to pull on the post more evenly so 1 full winding should be good. And about string vibration transferred to the body, the windings on the post won't make a difference at all, if anything it would dampen the vibrations and weaken the sustain and resonance. Just wrap it once.
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Hmm...I probably only get 3 or 4 wraps on the wound E before I run out of "room". Then I'll get one or two more on each post as the strings get thinner.
One thing I have noticed is that stringing the way I do increases the angle of the string coming off the nut. Is that good or bad?
Did you know that B.B. King wraps the entire string around the post! It looks pretty funny with the strings all balled up on the post.
One thing I have noticed is that stringing the way I do increases the angle of the string coming off the nut. Is that good or bad?
Did you know that B.B. King wraps the entire string around the post! It looks pretty funny with the strings all balled up on the post.
ibanezrocks
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I also wrap the string so that the part going to the nut is at the bottom of the post to increase the angle going to the nut, I found that it sounds better that way.
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Gabriel_0
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Well most pros will tell you that 2 1/2 winds will suffice when stringing a guitar. Wind them from the top down. I've been using this method for a while now and my strings rarely if ever go out of tune and I bend the hell out of them.
sile2001
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We're talking about locking tuners, not regular tuners. There is no way you could get 2 1/2 winds on my Sperzel locking tuners...there just isn't room.Gabriel_0 said:
apl
Stand Up Comity
You don't need any. Just pull the string through, snug it up, lock it down, and tune. Locking tuners are great for whammy guitars especially because when you change the tension with the whammy that change doesn't have to work its way through the windings on the post and back again when the tremolo returns to its resting position.
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with non-locking tuners i would always do the first 1 & 1/4 wraps on the top of the string hole, then i would cut across the string and start wrapping along the bottom. the cut-across seemed to keep the string on better and kept things from slipping, especially with the unwound strings.
with locking tuners you probably dont want more than a full wrap. the more wraps you have the more room for slack and stretching and slipping you have.
with locking tuners you probably dont want more than a full wrap. the more wraps you have the more room for slack and stretching and slipping you have.
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krimson
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apl has it right. I've been using locking tuners for many years now. Just pull the string through nice and tight, then lock it and tune. That's it! I've never had any problems doing it that way and stay in great tune when going "crazy" on the bar.
Gear_Junky
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I used to have an Epi Les Paul Custom and a Yamaha Pacifica "fat strat", both with Sperzel locking tuners (loved those things!). The whole point of locking tuners is to pull the string up till there's no slack, lock it and clip it off. Once they break-in, they stay in-tune forever! Sometimes, when I didn't play, I'd keept the guitars in cases for 6 months and they'd be in-tune!
P.S. I've played a locking nut guitar and hated that contraption! Who wants to mess with allen keys, when Sperzels and Schalelrs have the thumb-locks!
P.S. I've played a locking nut guitar and hated that contraption! Who wants to mess with allen keys, when Sperzels and Schalelrs have the thumb-locks!
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what do you guys mean by string "break in"?
you mean when they are finally properly stretched and dont come out of tune from being pulled and what not?
for years i have been stretching my own strings as i put them on and never have to wait for them to break in. i just replace one string at a time and tune it to pitch. then i put my left hand and fret on the 3rd and with my right hand grab at the 5th or 6th and yank the strings about 1.5-2 inches off of the fretboard a few times... all the way up the neck and then i re-tune. after 5 or 6 passes you will hardly lose your tune after that kind of stretching abuse. at that point your strings should stay in tune nomatter what you do.
you mean when they are finally properly stretched and dont come out of tune from being pulled and what not?
for years i have been stretching my own strings as i put them on and never have to wait for them to break in. i just replace one string at a time and tune it to pitch. then i put my left hand and fret on the 3rd and with my right hand grab at the 5th or 6th and yank the strings about 1.5-2 inches off of the fretboard a few times... all the way up the neck and then i re-tune. after 5 or 6 passes you will hardly lose your tune after that kind of stretching abuse. at that point your strings should stay in tune nomatter what you do.
apl
Stand Up Comity
I do something similar. I fold up a string wrapper, hook it around a string, pull it away from the guitar, and slide it up and down.
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artCROSS
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Are the Sperzels and Schalelrs locking tuners essentially the same as the Grover ones?
lesterpaul
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and ...
add an LSR roller nut and tuning issues cease (for strat anyway) i turn the tuner to where the hole is as close to being inline with the string travel across the nut,then i thread it through and actually pick up the guitar by the string (maybe an inch off the ground)then lock it down and tune to pitch , then when i have them all done i usually do the 3rd fret and maybe 9th fret bend and then do a couple whammy dives and then retune again this usually gets them broke in real quick....there have been nights where once the guitar was tuned it never went out and when it did it was barely out and then just one string ...my strat is bullet proof since i added lockers and the roller nut i've had more tuning issues with the singer getting his mic cord around the guitar head and actually turning the tuner than regular tuning issues (crowded stage) 
add an LSR roller nut and tuning issues cease (for strat anyway) i turn the tuner to where the hole is as close to being inline with the string travel across the nut,then i thread it through and actually pick up the guitar by the string (maybe an inch off the ground)then lock it down and tune to pitch , then when i have them all done i usually do the 3rd fret and maybe 9th fret bend and then do a couple whammy dives and then retune again this usually gets them broke in real quick....there have been nights where once the guitar was tuned it never went out and when it did it was barely out and then just one string ...my strat is bullet proof since i added lockers and the roller nut
i've had more tuning issues with the singer getting his mic cord around the guitar head and actually turning the tuner than regular tuning issues (crowded stage) 
