Listen to some of my work!

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Hi Folks

You can hear a few clips of me here. Timing and sound quality vary from one clip to the next though!

The track called "Messin around on the kit" is probably the best in terms of sound quality.

I'm still experimenting with drum mics and positions etc.

And check out my band's cover of the Immigrant Song!

Phrase
 
very flat sounding.

kick is way too flat.

snare lacks definition.

the toms are alright....my favorite..


mics??
 
Hey,
Thanks for comments.

I agree with you about the snare lacking definition, but I was playing a lot of grace notes (non accented notes) I was using my Premier 14X4 picolo, which has a nice stacatto sound but very little ring. My 14 x 7 Sonor hilite sounds a lot better recorded that the picolo.
The toms I was using were Pearl MMX 10,12 and 14 with Evans g2 coated heads on top and remo clear abassadors on the bottom. I agree they sound better than the bass or snare on that clip.
I think the main problem was the levels. The overhead levels were set too high particularly on the ride cymbal side, which drowns everything else out!

Mics were AKGD112 in kick, Shure SM57 on snare, AKG condensers for overheads and AKG clip on micro mics on the toms. It was recorded using Cubasis VST.

As I said, I'm just learning the art of recording drums etc so hopefully I will have some better clips to post soon!

Phrase
 
Spam?

What is wrong with posting this link? :confused:

The red mark against my username :mad: is because I allegedy "spammed my Mediocre drum tracks".
I came here because I wanted some advice about recording my drums, which mics to choose, etc. How can anyone help if they can't hear the things I've recorded? "This is a recording forum" after all, which is why I posted some, erm... recordings! :eek:

Bear in mind you will have to click the hifi stream (green) button on the Dmusic page to hear the tracks properly. Anything would sound "mediocre" if you click the grey lofi stream button!

If any of you guys think you could produce a better recording of the Immigrant Song that the one by my band (Limelight Robbery) I would love to hear it! ;)

Here are some more "Mediocre drum tracks".

If you're upset by spam you need not click the following links!

If however you would like to listen to an early attempt at a drum solo recorded about 5 years of practice ago using Pearl masters maple (MMX) drums, Sabian Pro and AA symbals, AKG D112, Shure SM57, AKG C1000 overheads, Korg 8 track digital recorder, then click here!

Or here for a nice little Bonham style Slow Rock beat in 6/8 time.

Constructive criticism / comments on the above very welcome.
Suggestions on how to improve my sound / recording techniques, etc, very welcome.
Please no more red marks next to my Username for posting some recordings (like a lot of other users) on this recording forum. However, Green marks are also very welcome! :D

Go on, make me green again!

Phrase
 
Yeah, the kick is a little anemic. I'd bet it's more of a tuning /head issue than mic choice or placement. The overheads seem to make the kit sound a little distant too. How high over the lit do you have your overheads?
 
Phrase,

I think the sound of the bass and kick on Immigrant Song was pretty much on the money for that tune - although the cymbals could have come to the front a bit more.

Also - the panning for the toms sounded a little off to me - not quite natural - instead of following them from one side to the other - and hearing them work their way through the middle while panning - they seemed to jump from one side to the other - it needs to be smoother.

The drums for Moonage Daydream were EQ'ed with a sound very similar to something I'd expect from a Billy Joel tune - which (by the way) I happend to like. But I have to make the same comment regarding the panning tecxhniques you're using.

The remainder of the tunes I would have to agree with Systmovadown.... except for the live tunes - which are always very difficult for anyone but the pro's to get anywhere near good.

One other comment - I'm a drummer - and consider myself fairly decent, and I must give you your props for your chops. You have some nice things going on - you/re a real good drummer.

Sincerely,

Rod
 
Track Rat said:
Yeah, the kick is a little anemic. I'd bet it's more of a tuning /head issue than mic choice or placement. The overheads seem to make the kit sound a little distant too. How high over the lit do you have your overheads?
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I think it may have been the placement of the kick mic which was quite close to the batter head. I've heard you get more of a boom if its further away.

The overheads were pretty high above the cymbals (about 3 feet) on the two clips I just posted, a little closer on the "messin around on the kit" clip.

I'm not sure which clip(s) you meant, but thanks for the comments anyway!

BTW the live tracks (Kabuki) were recorded by a mere minidisk player with mic - hence the poor sound quality.

I never said they were great though did I! :)

Rod, thanks for your comments also!

Limelight Robbery and one of my other bands are currently working on new demos. I will post some up to date clips soon. ;)

Regards,

Phrase
 
Phrase,

Notice your green mark is back............. congrats

Rod
 
cubanorocker316 said:
sorry to say this dude i dont know if you mixed this but if you did it sounds awful ,and wats with your snare ?it sounds way to loose, you wanna hear a real recording chak this out


http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=1287
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I didn't realise this would turn into a competition. I don't think that's what it should be.

Cubanrocker, was that posted to supposedly show off a great drum track??? I certainly hope not. :confused:
 
Phrase.. you are an awesome drummer. Mad props!
 
cubanorocker316 said:
sorry to say this dude i dont know if you mixed this but if you did it sounds awful ,and wats with your snare ?it sounds way to loose, you wanna hear a real recording chak this out


http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=1287
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"Real" what? Compressed? The drums are almost panned all left and highly compressed - almost sounds like they were recorded in a bathroom or some small room that isn't acoustically appropriate. While the snare is "tight" (at least it might have been that way in the actual room it was recorded in), it sounds muffled and maybe a little "boxy" to me.
 
Rami, you're right this wasn't supposed to be a competition, I just wanted to know what you guys thought of my clips / drumming. I though "Ivory tower" was awesome BTW, but the kick was a little clicky and not boomy enough for my tastes!

Cubanrocker, I think you should experiment a little more with compression / reverb / distortion, etc. Once you've mastered that, maybe then you would be in a better position to comment on drum tracks! Reasonable playing though.

Sirslurpee, thanks dude!

Phrase
 
PhraseMMX said:
Rami, you're right this wasn't supposed to be a competition, I just wanted to know what you guys thought of my clips / drumming. I though "Ivory tower" was awesome BTW, but the kick was a little clicky and not boomy enough for my tastes!
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My "competition" comment wasn't directed at you, Phrase. You're not the one with the attitude. Thanx for the comments on "Ivory Tower", and you're right, not only the bass drum, but I find the whole track a little thin.
 
cubanorocker316 said:
sorry to say this dude i dont know if you mixed this but if you did it sounds awful ,and wats with your snare ?it sounds way to loose, you wanna hear a real recording chak this out


http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=1287
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It sounds like you are almost rushing a bit, but not even barely.. It's pretty hard to tell though. Mess with the compression and panning and it will be nice.
 
PhraseMMX said:
As I said, I'm just learning the art of recording drums ...

Phrase
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and so are all the guys who have posted their 'comments'... even thou they may think that 'learning days are behind' for them...and now it's time to teach ;)
there's nothing 'in your face' wrong with kick and especially I hear nothing wrong with snare... it's just what you've recorded and the way you've recorded. I personally like dynamics in drum tracks. I personally do not like commercial "sampling/drum-loops library style" drum tracks. Uh...so what...? that's my taste...that's all.
What really counts thou ..is what and how you are going to record the rest of the band, how the rest of the band will perform, how you record all other instruments and then how you mix it all together.... and then all the 'drum track issues and details' will play important role...and only then you may know what is good/bad-right/wrong in your drum-track(s) recording specifically for your band, your band's style and preferences ... and as you deal with it you adjust if needed (most likely you'll be adjusting for as long you keep recording in your life time ;) ...that's just the way it goes). But you don't know untill you do start recording the band (YOUR BAND! that is) ...and so nobody on this board can tell you what's wrong with your drum-track... well, but they 'll tell you anyway :D

keep up! do it your way... cors' that is the only right way :) :p :)

/respects
 
Dr ZEE said:
and so are all the guys who have posted their 'comments'... even thou they may think that 'learning days are behind' for them...and now it's time to teach ;)
there's nothing 'in your face' wrong with kick and especially I hear nothing wrong with snare... it's just what you've recorded and the way you've recorded. I personally like dynamics in drum tracks. I personally do not like commercial "sampling/drum-loops library style" drum tracks. Uh...so what...? that's my taste...that's all.
What really counts thou ..is what and how you are going to record the rest of the band, how the rest of the band will perform, how you record all other instruments and then how you mix it all together.... and then all the 'drum track issues and details' will play important role...and only then you may know what is good/bad-right/wrong in your drum-track(s) recording specifically for your band, your band's style and preferences ... and as you deal with it you adjust if needed (most likely you'll be adjusting for as long you keep recording in your life time ;) ...that's just the way it goes). But you don't know untill you do start recording the band (YOUR BAND! that is) ...and so nobody on this board can tell you what's wrong with your drum-track... well, but they 'll tell you anyway :D

keep up! do it your way... cors' that is the only right way :) :p :)

/respects
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He posted this to get people's "comments". Why the bitterness that people are just stating their opinion??? This is a forum exactly for that purpose. Of course some people are talking out of their asses, but that happens everywhere. He can take it or leave it. But to put people down for giving him the opinions he was asking for in the first place is a little weird.
 
cubanorocker316 said:
sorry to say this dude i dont know if you mixed this but if you did it sounds awful ,and wats with your snare ?it sounds way to loose, you wanna hear a real recording chak this out


http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=1287
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Man, if I was going to trash somebodys recording I would want to have something to show as an example and not what you had to show. Yikes!!!! That was like carrying a knive to a gunfight. Besides I thought this was a place for us all to share, and learn about recording drum tracks.
 
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