Line 6 is going to turn the mic world upside down

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yay a thread where everyone can be a winner


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ez_willis said:
first of all, you pwn yourself, stupid. secondly, you found my soundclick site that i haven't accessed in years. those are the first few songs i recorded on my own. i have a song that's almost finished. it'll be the first one i recorded with reaper. give me a week, i'm recording a friend's band this weekend.
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Dude...if you would stop with the personal insults (still going strong)...we might actually be able to talk and critique toward more constructive outcomes. But for some reason, you (and also Greg)...prefer to turn shit into a schoolyard name calling contest. :rolleyes:

I applaud your personal efforts, just like I do those of every guy around here who's trying to get something done on their own in their home studios.
I said it a few times already...we are all in the same HR boat and everyone is trying to get something done and take their efforts to a higher level. There's no need for personal mocking and insults.

AFA your soundclick site...
All I did was check HR for the last time you actually posted any of your own songs/efforts. I was trying to hear what you were currently doing as a solo effort. The most current link on HR to any of your music you posted back in 2007 (not that long ago), and that is that stuff on your SoundClick page.
Apart from our style differences (from what I heard there compared to the one album project I recently completed)…there’s just nothing there in your stuff that is ass-kicking AFA guitar solos (which is something you specifically mocked me about)….and there’s also nothing there stellar AFA recording and production skills/techniques (which you also mocked me about).
So like…why don’t you just let it go already with that shit, and as I said, maybe we could actually talk and critique constructively...or do you prefer I also start calling you stupid, dork, douche bag, jerk off, joke, asshole, dick wad...
...etc...etc...etc…

It’s your call…
 
miroslav said:
It’s your call…
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i call 'em like i see 'em. always have. i don't see that changing anytime soon. stop sucking and i'll tell you that you no longer suck. or don't be such a dickwad and i won't even notice you.
 
As expected...you just can't let go of the junior high attitude.

For not wanting to notice me...you haven't done a very good job for the last 8 pages.

By the way...thanks for all the hits on my website, not sure if it was anyone from these forums, but I actually sold 3 more CDs in the last couple of days.

Was one of them for you?
 
miroslav said:
So what kind of cut would he get? :)
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Uh, actually, as resident mod, I get all royalties from the Mic board. Why do you think I've posted 33 times in this thread? :D

True story: I paid the domain name registration for HR this year. Therefore, I act like I own the place :drunk:
 
mshilarious said:
True story: I paid the domain name registration for HR this year. Therefore, I act like I own the place :drunk:
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I guess the Euro wasn't doing well enough for Audiofanzine to cover the cost....? :laughings:

What was it...like $10 for the year? :)

I can register them for about $130 for 10 years through dotearth.com
 
ez_willis said:
i don't see it like that. very rarely does someone purchase a piece of equipment then come to the boards for approval. usually they(and we) come here asking for real life experience with a product they are thinking about buying to help them come to a decision.

and that isn't even what's going on in this thread. i am not a proponent of amp sims, and i can totally appreciate you not liking them in any way, but to say that everyone should always buy a real amp in all situations is ridiculous.
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miroslav said:
And I never said everyone always buy a real amp in all situations....'cuz I know many of the pod purchases are purely budget-made decisions…so people without $$$ are not going to get a real decent tube amp no matter how much they like its tone.

I'm saying...you can play dodge ball all day...but a real tube amp will trump amp sims every time

Pods are about "NO $$$" and/or "lazy-ass convenience"
And that's my main point.
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I think the real turning point in this thread came from around post 106 and 109. The real irony is that broadly speaking, both Miroslav and ez are on the same page, regarding sims and the like.
Ez - at the risk of you pounding me, let me just say that "honesty" as you put it has little to do with mockery of someone elses music. By all means hate it, by all means say that you hate it. Mocking it and trying to get others to do likewise by posting links and the like, well, that's taking the whole matter someplace else. Especially when you state that one shouldn't give a damn what others think. That's a bit like mocking someone's wife because you don't think she's good looking.
Miroslav - While I have cringed at some of the flak that has come your way, I don't take sides and I have to say, you really have brought much of this upon your own head. Not because of what you think. Not because you stated what you think. But because you relentlessly hammered away your opinion time and time again in such a way that your actual opinion became irrelevant. I can't speak for anyone else but it certainly got me thinking about where you were actually coming from. Sometimes, it's not so much what a person says that gets one's back up, but what they don't say directly but state loud and clear by implication. When you say something like
miroslav said:
I'm saying...you can play dodge ball all day...but a real tube amp will trump amp sims every time
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you're in effect saying that if someone's music doesn't have what you consider to be the authentic tools, it cannot, I repeat, cannot, be as good as stuff that does. Now, I know you didn't actually state that. But it's the logical implication of what you did say. And thus, you invite people to say, hang on, let's hear some of this guy's stuff with all it's authenticity. And of course unless it's Led Zep meets the Clash meets the Beatles meets Muddy Waters meets Stevie Wonder meets Hendrix meets Britney*, you're on a loser. Even if it was universally loved.
You can't blame people for feeling downright pissed off and offended if you tell them that the only reason they settle for a sim is because they're in effect lazy or paupers or both. The implication of which is "if you had money and/or weren't such a lazy so and so, you could make good music". Phew.....
Some folk might actually like the sound of their sims, believe it or not. Or is desire and choice no longer an option in the free world ?
Honestly, I'm not defending what was said about you, but you can't escape your responsibility in the matter either. Two wrongs don't make a right and three wrongs make even less of a right than two wrongs don't ! If you carefully go through this thread, ez was being civil in his own unique way and almost bending over backwards to accomodate both your point and the OP without damning either, at least that's how it seems to me. I may be off the beam on that. But you can feel him getting increasingly short as you hammer on** and then KABOOM !.




Of course you make your point forcefully, many here do and unless it's rude and condescending, I'd be surprized if people really have a problem with that. It's not the force. Ok, sometimes a point needs to be made a couple of times, but this went way beyond that. And that's when people start to feel that you're talking down to them.




Frankly it's embarrassing when you both start whacking each others music in public. It's also insulting to those that actually like one or the others' (or both) stuff. Truth is you both do good stuff for what it is. Whether it's MOR or out of date and style is utterly irrelevant. By the very nature of time, all music is very quickly "out of date" and what's wrong with MOR ?
I'd apologize for the long post but I'm not sorry.






















*This was just to introduce a little lightness to heavy proceedings ! :p :D
** A little guitary punning....
 
grimtraveller said:
When you say something like
miroslav said:
I'm saying...you can play dodge ball all day...but a real tube amp will trump amp sims every time
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you're in effect saying that if someone's music doesn't have what you consider to be the authentic tools, it cannot, I repeat, cannot, be as good as stuff that does. Now, I know you didn't actually state that. But it's the logical implication of what you did say.
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GT….

I appreciate your analysis and attempt to "introduce a little lightness to heavy proceedings"..you’re always fair in your perspectives.

I will point out that the above quote was/is really aimed at the differences between *playing* through a tube amp VS *playing* through a pod (that whole thing about dynamics and touch response), and I think I restated that several times throughout the thread.
I’ve agreed early on that AFA within a mix, a pod/modeler’s tones could work well in some instances. I think I restated that position, saying that my dislike of pods/modelers wasn’t just about their final tone in the mix, but more about the feel/vibe when playing as that is when they fall short (and when I can still hear their digital pedigree).
If someone took away all my amps…and gave me a pod, well, I would make do….but that’s really not a realistic hypothetical for me, so I simply have no need to consider it.
I’ve used my Tech 21 SansAmp in the past, which is an analog amp modeler…and actually liked many of the tones I could get from it for recording, but I haven’t used it for anything in like….10 years.

So…I don’t see that I was or am at any point saying someone’s *music* can’t be good enough because of the gear they use. Far from it. I’ve always stated that even inexpensive and/or “marginal” gear can be used to make good music….and in the right mix, yes, even some modeled amp tones can fit well. That said, I also pointed out that in my situation, I have the amps, so I don’t need or have any purpose for the pods.
That seemed to be the big sticking point...MY purpose VS someone else's purpose.
And you know…that IS for me the funniest/oddest part of the debate.
The people most arguing with me, kinda’ admitted THEY use amps…but felt the need to convince me that MY views about pods were wrong…??? :D
So like…you tell me…who was really trying to knock who in this thread….?

When things got personal and ugly (and continued to escalate)…that’s when the debate turned the worst corner and stayed the course.
I already apologized to TAE for my part in that. I tend to hold my positions strongly…sometimes it’s a good thing, sometimes not the best choice. *shrug*
Also…counterpoints were pushed very hard back at me…so that didn’t help or make it easy to just “walk away”…people kept coming back to it.

20-20 hindsight…the thread really doesn’t mean much for the majority of folks here, as I believe everyone will just continue to use what they prefer…amps, pods, whatever.

Thanks for your thoughts… :drunk:
 
I see miroslob is still at it. Fucking loser. :rolleyes:

Seriously, you sterile, adult-contemporary, geezer fuck, you are ten times more childish and juvenile than anyone else arguing with you.
 
Let's see if that over-sensitive and fragile tool miroslob can let it go. I bet not.
 
Are modelers or tube amps best for bass tapping? Or should I patch the output of the tube amp into the modeler :confused:
 
recordman said:
This is another one of those things with too many options. Their amps have too many options there are microphone preamps out there that are "modeling" and have too many options. Why do I want a piece of gear that can do 1,000,000 tones just OK when I could have a piece of gear that does 1 tone GREAT???

Do you think a client that is paying you by the hour is going to be that thrilled when you're sitting there flipping through your microphone models or your microphone preamp models??

Another useless thing that is going to be in the hands of amateurs like their amps.
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Talk about it like it's a grenade launcher. hah. "in the hands of amateurs" Seriously, the only business we get when it comes to recording is amateur bands anyway.
 
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