Lifes greatest mystery...WHY DON'T GUITAR CABLES LAST?

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In the last 22 of playing guitar I must have gone through HUNDREDS of guitar cables. I am still looking for one that'll go at least one year of steady service without crapping and poppin!!

Anyone out there found one that meets this criteria???
 
I have pretty ok cables.

Actually most quality cables I bought are still ok. What do you do with them?

You gotta be carefull when you store em. Don't just roll 'em around your arm, this will cause friction in the cable etc...
 
It's a fatigue problem: the flexing of the cable will cause premature failures whereever the strain is greatest due to flexing in use. And that generally means at the connector-cable junctions.

I used to make my own guitar cables with some very nice mil-spec connectors that had long spring strain reliefs. I used a Belden cable (9722, if I remember right) that you can't get anymore that had phosphor-bronze tinsel conductors like the old switchboard rollback wire. Those lasted many years at a time, with proper care (more about that below). What usually killed them was that ozone attacked the natural-rubber insulation, which became brittle and cracked. Good shit! I'm sad to see that you can't get either those connectors or that wire anymore, but it's been too many years since the Korean War... Lots of heatshrink inside the spring, lots of labor. Nobody could make those cables for wholesale and be commercially successful- they are much too labor intensive.

So, Roel's right: how you treat your production cables absolutely determines their lives. Strain relief is *everything*: loop the cable over your guitar strap button before you go into the jack at your guitar, so that strain is isolated from the fragile high-stress spot right at the end of the connector handle. Similarly, find a way to isolate that strain at the other end: if your amp head has a carry-strap on top, loop under it before you plug into the jack on the front of the head. *Don't* just let the cable dangle on the connector, causing that kink right at the end of the handle. Doing this looping exercise will probably double the lives of even cheap cables. It'll certainly make the jack on your guitar, and the one on your amp head, last longer.

If you go into a rack cabinet, or something with no easy place to loop that end, go to a good electrical supply place and get some nice woven cord-grip strain reliefs like these: http://www.danielwoodhead.com/products3.html . They work like the old chinese finger puzzle: the harder you pull, the tighter they grip. You can then slip the cord-grip over the connector, and put a hook under a rackmount screw head on your rig to hook it to onstage, and let the weight of the cord dangle on the strain relief instead of the connector. That works *amazingly* well at making a stage rig bombproof, and I've never understood why so few people do it. If it's good enough for the National Electrical Code (for industrial extension cords that dangle from the ceiling, for example), it's good enough for me...

And when rolling up cables, the right answer (in my opinion) is "don't roll them up". Learn to lap them back and forth in the palm of your hand, and secure the bundle with a Velcro cable tie, not by wrapping one end around and twisting up the whole thing into a wad. In a pinch, that Velcro cable tie (which ought to be permanently looped onto one end of the cable) can also be used to provide a strain relief at the amp end- use your imagination.

The real problem is that there's no economically viable way to make a guitar cable that will take any abuse you can dream up, and the basic application is pretty abusive if you move around much. So if you want them to last, you need to do some behavior-modification and work with them to make their lives as easy as possible. You're trading off your time for less cable expense and greater reliability, basically.
 
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Everytime I see somebody wrap a cable around their arm I want to beat them with a boom stand.

When you have to run about 30 xlr cables the last thing you want is a bunch of kinks and a shorted cable.
 
Cables

Hey Guys,

I know that I have mentione this before, but I use Horizon Cables. They are great cables and best of all carry a Lifetime warranty. You can't beat that. I have not had one break in years, but when I have had a problem in the past, an exchange was made on the spot. Best of all for Guys like Roel, they are available in Europe as well.

http://www.horizonmusic.com/index.htm

Fangar
 
You're right skip!

The way you handle them is the main issue but, I'll never forget back in the early 80's I bought one that was called "HOT WIRES",,, they had these monstorus brass plugs with a tiny on/off switch at the base of the plug. Man these cables looked awesome! They looked like you clould tie up your mother in law in your closet and still work!
They lasted for about 3 weeks before they went to shit.
The worst part about it is that they cost me $35 for 15'. :mad:
 
I have the same problem...

For my home studio I use really short cables, 1,5 M. max. There's no need for 15 m. cables, you'd only trip over them.
Dirk Demon
 
What is the best way to get kinks out of a cable? I have one planet waves cable that has about 10 Charlie Brown hairs in it if you know what I mean. I can't seem to get them out. Any suggestions?
 
If it has been elbow-wound, it's probably fatally injured. However, if you have a staircase around somewhere, you can try hanging it up so that it dangles down under gravity (double it in the middle if it is too long to go straight).

Hang it up, and leave it for about a week. Hopefully, gravity will gently tug it back stright, and allowing the connector ends to dangle will allow any residual twist to come out of the cable. Let it have time- a week wil probably get it to be as good as it's going to get. But once the center core is slipped with respect to the shield braid, it's generally kinked for life...
 
I have two cables that I bought new in 1982. They were both custom made with Belden and straight 'military' brass plugs.

Rule 1: DO NOT stand on them. EVER! (and insist that the band members don't, either)
Rule 2: Always hold the plug to remove them, never the cable.

To coil them:

Hold one end in one hand;
make a 12 inch loop;
make another 12 inch loop with a slight twist the opposite way;
repeat until you're done.

Putting the slight twist in the coil will make the cable straight when you uncoil it. It's the way you coil rope on a sailing boat and works great.

foo
 
I know this won't help for live giging, but for studio use I hang all my cables so they stay straight when not in use. Even the guitar cables, mic cables, patch cables. I took a strip of wood that would hold little small finish nails and just put up the nails in pairs that would hold which ever connector the cable had. For the long cables I just used 2 pairs of nails for both ends and only have the solf bend at the bottom. Works for me.
dtb
 
I too have been searching(25 years) for the holy grail of guitar cables.Around a year ago I forked down some substantial bucks($50) each for some 21 foot monster rock cables.Without a doubt the best sounding cable I have found, but I have had to return them 3 times already.The shielding seems brittle and is prone to breakage even with the most gentle of handling.I like the fact that they have a lifetime warrenty but am sick of returning these evil snakes from hell!!!!These cables have never been out of my studio, I WONDER WHAT THEY WILL DO ON STAGE???I agree with Foo, reverse coil wrapping is the only way to wind a cable without destroying it.
John
 
eyeslikefire, why not leave the old girl in the closet and go wireless?
 
I to always use horizon cables and when ever one shorts out i go in and replace it with whatever size i want for free. I have them short all the time though probably because i wrap them.
 
//why not leave the old girl in the closet//
Clive, ...
Oh, you mean someone let her out???? :( CRAP!!!

I guess horizon is the way to go then, I didn't know they had a lifetime warranty!


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22 years.......hundreds of cables..........I'm thinkin' that would have paid for a wireless by now!:D

It's my experience that a lot of guitar players try to go 30' with a 20' cable. :p
 
Guitar cables Suck! :D
BTW monte how do you do that smiley with that tongue?
 
I just click the little picture of the smiley with a tounge next to the text entry box.:p :p :p :p :p . Its colon and the letter p
 
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