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I have a bass track that has a low hum in it. In order to combat this I needed to get rid of all the parts that he was not playing. So I inserted a volume envelope in that track and dropped all the parts to 0 that needed to be. Now I want to be able to control the volume of the track at once, instead of having to move each of the peaks on my envelope everytime. I am sure there has to be an easy way to this. Thanks.
 
- Click the drop down box next to the select tool icon in the toolbar above the track listing in the Track View.
- Make sure the "Select Envelopes with Clips" option is turned ON
- Click the track you want to move so that the track turns black and all the nodes turn white
- Click and drag the envelope to where you want it to be.

Come to think of it, you probably only need the last two points if you only want to move the entire envelope.

Alternately, why not just increase the TRIM on the track? (Although this will effect the level sent to the FX bin and may not be appropriate for whatever you are doing).

Those steps should work for any Sonar derivative from 2.0 onwards. Can't remember anything else...

Q.
 
You can also simply toggle into offset mode. That will allow to raise the volume of the entire track without effecting the envelopes. You just need to remember that the "readings" in Normal mode will now be off by the factor of the changes you made in offset mode.

BTW, you were right, Q, you only need the last two steps in order to move an entire envelope. Highlight the entire track and click and drag the envelope - the entire envelope will move. The only issue with this is if any part of the envelope is set at infinity, you can not move the envelope any lower. It is somewhat analogous to normalizing in this respect - you can only go as low as the lowest (or highest) node.

And Chadsxe, you *might* be better off trying to remove the hum using eq. I suspect that using volume envelopes only gets rid of the noise in the silent parts, and it is still there when the bass is playing.
 
I agree. It's likely a 60 cycle ground hum. So try to make a VERY narrow notch at 60hz and see if you can make it go away.
 
K-dub: Well I figured that it was a annoying ground hum but I did not know were to start to try to remove it. Even when and if I am able to remove I still want the silent parts of the bass line out of the mix.

Qwerty's suggestion of highlighting the entire track and dragging will not work because I have dropped the envelope to INF on all the parts of the track I don't want to be heard.

Dachay2tnr what is offset mode? Can you better explain the process you are talking about
 
You don't mention which version of Sonar you are using.

However, look at the set of icons directly above the tracks in Track View. I believe in S3 and earlier there is an icon labeled "offset mode." When you click it, it will toggle into offset and all your pan and volume settings will read zero. When you change a volume (or pan) setting in Offset Mode it will read +1, +2, or -1, -2, etc. Basically what this means is that you are adding (or substracting) from the original setting.

So, for example, if you have a track with a volume setting of -3 db, and you go into offset mode and set a volume of +2 db, your volume setting for that track will now be offset by +2 db. When you toggle back to the normal mode, the volume will still READ -3db, but since it is offset by 2 db, the actual volume will be -1 db.

It should work fine for what you want to accomplish. The only drawback is you will need to remember that it has been offset - since unless you toggle into offset mode, the offset is invisible.

(BTW, in S4 Offset Mode is found on the dropdown list off the Envelope Tool icon.)
 
Hmm intresting! What is the real-intended purpose for offset mode? I am sure it wasn't made for what I want to use it for, or was it? Can you change the volume/offset per track or is it for every track at once? I am using 2.2xl soon to be 4
 
It is per track. The offset mode control uses the same fader as the track volume fader (or pan fader) in normal mode. It works the same as changing a volume or pan setting normally, except rather than an absolute setting, you are setting a relative setting (relative to the track's original volume).

I believe one of its purposes was for calibration. Not sure what else it may have been intended for/
 
Sorry if this sounds like a dum question but can't you just route the the bass signle to a "diffrent track" or something of the sorts and then control it form there? I just find it hard to beleve that the only proper way to do this by manually bringing up and down every peak of your evelope everytime you want to change the overall volume for a track.

The offset trick sounds like it will work but it just raises more questions for me. What is the proper way to do what I want to do? Is putting a volume envelope in the track the wrong way?
 
The offset mode seems like it will work bu what is the "proper way" to go about removing parts of a track? Am I doing this the wrong way? This may sound dumb but is there not a way to route the track somewere else and control the volume from there.
 
No offense intended, but the "proper way" would be to re-record the track without the hum. :)

Generally when I want to silence sections of a track, I just slip-edit those sections out of the track. However, in most cases you would not be removing every other note in the track. Rather, I typically might want to remove a lip smack or breathing noise from a vocal track, or where a mic stand has been kicked, etc. Regardless, I would have suggested that you use slip editing to silence sections of your bass track - but that wasn't your question. You asked how to adjust the overall volume of a track that has an envelope on it.

I don't quite understand your hangup with Offset Mode. It is not meant to remove sections of a track. It is simply a method of adjusting the overall track volume AFTER you have already placed a volume envelope on the track. Normally this should be rare, since in most cases you would only place a volume envelope fairly late in the mix process. IOW, AFTER you recorded ALL your tracks and adjusted the overall volume of each instrument/vocal in the mix. The volume envelope then simply serves to raise or lower certain sections of a track where needed.
 
dachay2tnr said:
IOW, AFTER you recorded ALL your tracks and adjusted the overall volume of each instrument/vocal in the mix. The volume envelope then simply serves to raise or lower certain sections of a track where needed.
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That is what I needed to hear. I just wanted to know the proper way to do things.

What is a clip envelope?
 
I agree that the best way to fix this is would be to retrack. But, if that's not an option, I also think a narrow EQ cut would be a good thing to try. If those don't float your boat, why not put a gate on the track? This would silence the track when the level is below a set threshold and should accomplish the same thing you're trying to do with envelopes.
 
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