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hmmmm....funny...I didn't even notice the phrase "golden ear" when I posted. It is a sign Cyan. ;)

>>>research shows that babies like to be sung to, and that they prefer consonant melodies to dissonant ones. I think this is where the concept is born, that even though all melodies consist of 12 or fewer notes, that some are innately more enjoyable than others, and some are so enjoyable that they win the world over.


You may be on to something with this. There are also documented cases that show that plants can even tell the difference between melody and dissonance. Plants subjected to George Gershwin's Rhapsody in blue (an extremely melodic piece) 24/7 will grow stronger, healthier and faster than plants subjected to Jimi Hendrix. They will also grow towards and around the speakers, whereas, plants listening to Jimi, or just rock n roll all day, will eventually start growning away from the speakers. Sorry Jimi. I like Jimi and rock in General, but rock n roll in general is much more dissonant than classical music...it is rather based much more on rythmn. There is a book I read a long time ago called the secret life of plants. It's a mind blower. There is a chapter on music/plants or music/life in general in it. Might be worthing looking at.
 
i found a site for anybody interested in that. Cool stuff, i remember doing the fibonnochi sequecne in school with rabbits screwing and making more more and more rabbits. Interessting, but I dont see how it would be incorporated into music, its just a growing patteren until infinity. Keep increasing volume? no itd get too loud. Keep increasing number and complexity of notes? No soon thered be too many to handle. I dont see it because i never went to math class o_O, so any body who can please shed some light.

http://www.vashti.net/mceinc/Golden.htm
 
Hey applesmasher..I'm no expert. I remember doing fibonacci #s in school too and I also have some of the same questions you have about this. I would imagine that understanding the math would be the hard part, ;)...Anyway, here, I found this stuff just by typing in the words music and golden mean in google. Here's some links with excerpts and some links. They should answer some questions. Surf through them for more.

The golden mean ratio can be found in many compositions mainly because it is a "natural" way of dealing with divisions of time. One can find it in a lot of works by Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, etc., etc. It is a question if it was used in a deliberate way or just intuitively (probably intuitively). On the other hand, composers like Debussy and Bartok have made a conscious attempt to use this ratio and the Fibonacci series of numbers which produces a similar effect (adjacent members of the series give ratios getting closer and closer to the golden mean ratio). Bartok intentionally writes melodies which contain only intervals whose sizes can be expressed in Fibonacci numbers of semitones. He also divides the formal sections of some of his pieces in ratios corresponding to the golden mean. Without going into much detail, Debussy also does this in some of his music and so does Xenakis (a composer who writes exclusively by using stochastic distributions, set theory, game theory, random walks, etc.) in his first major work, "Metastasis". The idea is not new, already in the Renaissance composers used it and built melodic lines around the Fibonacci sequence -just like Bartok's "Music for strings, percussion and celesta".


http://web.hep.uiuc.edu/home/karliner/golden.html




The Golden Mean can also be found in paintings by artists as diverse as Leonardo da Vinci and Piet Mondrian. The Golden Mean can be heard as well as seen! From Mozart and Bach to Faith Hill and Britney Spears, at 61.8 percent of the way through a piece, something special almost always happens. These "special somethings" can be a sudden or brief change in key, a guitar or drum solo, the introduction of bridge music (a musical transition between themes), the final recapitulation (restatement) of a theme, or even silence. And to segue from music to musical instruments, violins often contain examples of the Golden Mean. For instance, on many violins the length of the fingerboard compared with the length of the total instrument is equal to about 1:1.618.

http://www.enc.org/features/calendar/unit/0,1819,152,00.shtm

This one seems to have alot of info:

http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibInArt.html

the History of:

http://goldennumber.net/history.htm


Music is based on Fibonacci numbers:
http://m.njit.edu/~dalc/upwardbound/brandon/music_brandon.htm
http://evolutionoftruth.com/goldensection/music.htm
 
wow thanks for the links. Ill definelty read up on that stuff. Kind of intriguing the sequence naturally occuring in sea shells and the 55 perfect spirals of a sunflower. Then the composers who were so good used it without ever knowing. Got to be something to it.
 
yah, it's pretty cool stuff. I've got some reading to do too. Right now, I got to crash....lates
 
good night. Upon further reading i found the sequence relates to compositon and the thirds rule in art. yah kno the idea that the eye doesnt like the subject to be directly in the center of a work but to be placed evenly along the 1/3 disection lines. Thats something ive been doing for years with art. Then theres alot of more complicated stuff that I dont get. anyways heres some links from those sites that show aspects of the sequence in musical form...

http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibrab.qt

^ very cool sounds like a hip hop beat (better than most of them)

http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Perfect_Fifth/

^an electronic band that uses the sequence
 
yah, like you said, the rule of thirds is one thing, but there is a lot of other tricky stuff going on here. I've got to read up on the math a bit more.



Thanks for the links I'll be sure to check em out.
 
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