Let us watch you mix!

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Anybody remember the Bruce Miller audio classes that were being set up a couple years ago over at... crap, can't remember... the Studio-something or other site.

It was really good but I lost touch. You were in that too Rami, weren't you?

He did some vids - some are here.You gotta kind of poke around on the page to find the links.
I hope someday Bruce finishes this course. It's pretty darn good.
 
hehe...i can't even get myself to read posts that are more than 2 paragraphs long. I can't see anyone wanting to watch more than 2 minutes of someone mixing their song...but that might just be me.

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Hey guys! I'm about to start a new mix on an old project and had a great idea as I was thinking about it. I don't know about you, but I personally learn best by watching people do what they do and trying to emulate/recreate what they have done. I know this isn't the ideal way to mix, since we should be recreating with our ears and not our eyes, but I think it would be a cool way to share our mixing tips with each other, and maybe be a jumping off point for those who are starting.

So how about a Flickr pool or something of videos of our mixes. I know mixing is a long process and can sometimes be a few hours at a time, but I could host longer videos if needed (since bandwidth clearly won't be extravagant since it's just shared among us). For anyone running snow leopard, this is as easy as starting up Quicktime and hitting record. What do you guys think, would you be interested in watching other people's screens while they mix?

UPDATE: I just realized Flickr videos are limited to 90 seconds, so we could start a Youtube stream or something, not sure how that works. Again, if videos are getting super long, I can host them.

Are you thinking about something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evJo5_qt6mY
 
I wonder if you guys are over complicating this a bit.

Many of the members here have never been told how/where to begin or how to better approach some things in mixing. In that case, a very basic video of some general methods would indeed be helpful to them. Of course every mix is different, but there are still some things that we do the same way almost every time. Beginners could benefit from observing our routine..

There are already a thousand "Mixing Basics" videos on YouTube...some done by big-name pros!

The OP was talking about watching one of us do an entire mix from start to finish....kinda' dry IMO.
 
Haha, this was fun to read over today :)

It's really as simple as it sounds. Just screen captures of someone doing a mix in the box really (getting cameras involved sounds overly complicated). Sometimes I just like to watch people do their work, and I think I often benefit from doing so. Narration would help, but like someone said, it might be hard to mix while detailing what you're doing. And it should be assumed the person know what basic stuff is, again this is NOT a How-to. I don't need to be told what a compressor is 50 times over, I just liked to hear what different settings people use are for different applications, and reading up stats in tutorials telling me what numbers to use is not the same as watching someone actually trying out a 15db threshold on a kick compressor and hearing how it effected an already boxie sounding kick vs an already clicky sounding kick.

I offered to record my mix, but it will probably be pretty embarrassing, considering I'm not that great and I'll probably swing at something 10 times before I get it right. It's not so much for newbies, nor is it for masters, it's for the people in between who probably know what their doing enough, but are interested in how other people are doing it. If no one else has interest that's cool, but I think I'd enjoy it.
 
Oh, and also I find myself over and over again saying "my drums don't sound like that" or "My acoustic doesn't sound like that" when I watch how-to videos because a lot of them are done in nicer studios. Having a bunch of home recorders sharing their mixes might fit better into our situation. Again, it's more of theory vs application.
 
Are you thinking about something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evJo5_qt6mY

No, sorry. This is exactly what I'm referring to when I'm talking about a how-to video. It's helpful, but it's not super encompassing. It only tackles one issue, and it's not likely I'd remember it when that issue comes up. I'm thinking something more general, less functional in terms of addressing an issue, and more just watching work be done. Like someone said, it would probably be dry as hell, but I personally would still enjoy it.
 
Haha, this was fun to read over today :)

Well I'm glad you are not taking any comments too personally...it's just about kicking-the-can, some free thinking stuff, and not really a criticism aimed at you. :)


It's really as simple as it sounds. Just screen captures...

...I just like to watch people do their work...

....reading up stats in tutorials telling me what numbers to use is not the same as watching someone actually trying out a 15db threshold on a kick compressor and hearing how it effected an already boxie sounding kick vs an already clicky sounding kick..


See...this is where I don't understand how a bunch of static screen captures is going do any of that for you. You're not going to see any *mixing*...you're just going to see a bunch of numbers/settings, which is what you say you don't want.
I've stared at people’s DAW track/wave screen captures...and unless they say in detail what it is in the screen capture, there isn't too much solid info in a static screen shot that tells me what they are doing AFA their mixing...and more importantly, screen captures don’t tell you HOW IT SOUNDS! ;)

and more just watching work be done.

IMHO...the only way to do that so it is of any value, is to be IN the studio when it is happening.
That's why books and Internet stuff falls short....you don't really get the hands-on, bird's eye view...and again, if you are not hearing the mix the same way the mixer is hearing it...him telling you he's appyling +3 dB at 10kHz to add sparkle to the acoustic guitar is nbot going to mean as much if can't hear what he is hearing.
 
I just liked to hear what different settings people use are for different applications, and reading up stats in tutorials telling me what numbers to use is not the same as watching someone actually trying out a 15db threshold on a kick compressor and hearing how it effected an already boxie sounding kick vs an already clicky sounding kick.

Something like that can't possibly relate to anything but that specific mix. A 15 db threshold that works for "kick A" would not work for "kick B" if even the smallest thing was different. Like, say it is the same recording for all of the other instrument tracks, the same drummer, the same mics in the same place on the same kit in the same room.

Only the mic trim was turned lower for "kick B". In that case the 15db threshold that worked for "kick A" does not do the same thing for "kick B" even though the two tracks are all but identical. Now imagine trying to translate that 15db threshold when everything is different between two projects by two different bands with two different engineers. It would be totally meaningless at best, misleading at worst.

Change the mic distance and you change the attack time.
Change the mic itself and you change the EQ.
Change the room and you change what you need from your digital reverb.

The list goes on. Don't fall into the numbers trap. Settings are totally worthless outside of their own project.
 
I'm glad noone asked if we wanted to watch videos of them mastering....that kinda stuff would've gotten this site blocked on my work content filter :D










Sorry, i had to.
 
watching someone push faders and turn knobs on a control surface or type in numbers or slide virtual faders with a mouse wouldn't show you much of anything IMO

physically moving faders and changing EQ parameters is easy anyone can do it. The reasoning behind it based on experience, knowledge and personal taste is what's crucial and usually done because of what the mixing guy hears and reacts to that. A video won't show you that

Would a video of me setting up a compressor on my 2 bus by ear (and probably setting it badly at that) really be helpful to anyone at all?
 
Would a video of me setting up a compressor on my 2 bus by ear (and probably setting it badly at that) really be helpful to anyone at all?

I don't know. But Raw Depth has done one on compression and it's one of the most helpful things I've come across on the topic.
 
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