layering the same vocals?

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okay, i'm starting to get the hang of audition... it's kind of surprising how much there is to learn...

question is... when going through compression... the vocals volume quiets down...

but how do you apply more volume after compression?

i have tried copying my vocals to a new track and that seems to work but is this the proper way of doing it?

also, if there's anything else i'm missing besides compression / reverb / de-essing... please let me know...

i have yet to play with EQ because i have no idea where to start with that... hopefully soon

thanks much,
ground beef
 
there should be a control on the compressor for some type of Make-up gain. Also, its would be easier if you posted finished, or semi finished work , since those other effects are all subject to your opinion.
 
djhead said:
there should be a control on the compressor for some type of Make-up gain. Also, its would be easier if you posted finished, or semi finished work , since those other effects are all subject to your opinion.

I will make sure to check that when I get home from work.

And yes, I will post some of my work up soon. I've been meaning to do that. Could always use the critique. It's just been three days!
 
interesting, compression actually made my vocals louder, unless you are recording at too high of a level, they shouldnt come down.

at the meter at the bottom, try to have your vocals ride close to -18 or -15. then hit the record button. so when you add your FX, you can compress at whatever settings are good for you (i use -18, and 3:1 ratio).

other than that, if you need to correct the levels after compression, just use the volume adjustment to the sides of each track.



bless.
 
BillyBo said:
interesting, compression actually made my vocals louder, unless you are recording at too high of a level, they shouldnt come down.

at the meter at the bottom, try to have your vocals ride close to -18 or -15. then hit the record button. so when you add your FX, you can compress at whatever settings are good for you (i use -18, and 3:1 ratio).

other than that, if you need to correct the levels after compression, just use the volume adjustment to the sides of each track.



bless.

Wow. Thanks for those tips. Actually, when recording vocals, I've been going anywhere to upwards of -6 to -3... I will turn my mixer settings down...

-18 just seems too quiet after recording? I must be doing something wrong.

When compressing in Audition do you go to:

Effects > Mastering Rack > Rack Preset > EQ-->Compressor ?

Because after that I'm completely lost. A little help please?!
 
actually, i was taught to use "Real-Time FX" instead.

to the side of your tracking, there is volume, panning, and other settings.... two of these are "Lock" and "FX" (you may have to zoom your tracks in vertically so they show up).

- Click the FX button
- Click "Amplitude"
- Add "Dynamics Processing" to the right column
- Select "Dynamics Processing" (on the right side) and Click "Properties"
- Select "4:1, -24, Very Fast Attack" from the drop-down menu
- Adjust setting from there (just change ratio and threshold, like i said, i use -18, 3:1 -- you use what you need for it to sound good)
- Click "OK" (and close the window if necessary)

you have now added real-time compression settings to your wav withOUT changing the wav in any way. this way, you have preserved the original recording, and all FX are in the session, not on the waveform itself. this is great for changing up things later on if you dont like the mix, otherwise, you're stuck w/ any FX you saved on the waveform.

you can use this process for most of the FX (i.e. Reverb, De-Essing, etc.) that you need. just know that if you do alter the actual waveform, any real-time FX will be added to those parts as well.... in other words, if you echo the wav, then put real-time reverb on it, you may find it was too much reverb. make sure to play around with it to your likings.

after you apply any/all FX needed, be sure to click the "LOCK" button. this will lock the track and save a ton of CPU load. go ahead, try it without locking the track, you'll see what i mean ;)

just for the record, i'm not sure what i record at... somewhere between -18 and -12, but my finished vocals always land around -9 to -6. your settings should obviously be adjusted according to your mix and beat.



Bless.
 
Wow... thanks so much! That info/advice is much appreciated!

ground beef
 
i was shared this information, therefore i will share it with others.... and it continues.
 
BillyBo said:
actually, i was taught to use "Real-Time FX" instead.

to the side of your tracking, there is volume, panning, and other settings.... two of these are "Lock" and "FX" (you may have to zoom your tracks in vertically so they show up).

- Click the FX button
- Click "Amplitude"
- Add "Dynamics Processing" to the right column
- Select "Dynamics Processing" (on the right side) and Click "Properties"
- Select "4:1, -24, Very Fast Attack" from the drop-down menu
- Adjust setting from there (just change ratio and threshold, like i said, i use -18, 3:1 -- you use what you need for it to sound good)
- Click "OK" (and close the window if necessary)

you have now added real-time compression settings to your wav withOUT changing the wav in any way. this way, you have preserved the original recording, and all FX are in the session, not on the waveform itself. this is great for changing up things later on if you dont like the mix, otherwise, you're stuck w/ any FX you saved on the waveform.

you can use this process for most of the FX (i.e. Reverb, De-Essing, etc.) that you need. just know that if you do alter the actual waveform, any real-time FX will be added to those parts as well.... in other words, if you echo the wav, then put real-time reverb on it, you may find it was too much reverb. make sure to play around with it to your likings.

after you apply any/all FX needed, be sure to click the "LOCK" button. this will lock the track and save a ton of CPU load. go ahead, try it without locking the track, you'll see what i mean ;)

just for the record, i'm not sure what i record at... somewhere between -18 and -12, but my finished vocals always land around -9 to -6. your settings should obviously be adjusted according to your mix and beat.



Bless.

wow so u can add real time compression in AA...... i love this site lol..... i just got two bits of info in like 3 minutes that goin change the way i been recording for about 4 years lol....... this is crazy...... i cant wait to get out of class this shit is making me wanna skip so i can stay home and practice
 
haha... i gotta give credit where credit is due... Change taught me that. i was editing the waveform directly for as long as you, until about a month ago.
 
dang lol.... change also taught me that i was recording to hot casue i normally try to get my levels between -6 and -3dB he said try for like -18db im like ok...... im still skeptical but i kno he knows more then me so im a try it out this afternoon...... but yea we need to go ahead and push him to do a tutorial lol...... im sure tere would be something in there that can help pretty much everybody who frequents this section
 
he did a small picture tutorial for me, but he charges for consultation. so i dropped him some bills for all his help.... which was way more than just the compression settings help... he helped me out a lot while we worked on our colab for my album. mainly on mixing techniques and some business talk. anyways, i guess what i'm getting at is that i wont post his work for that reason. you'll have to hit him up if you want him to post it...... if he's down w/ that.



Bless.
 
i agree... i'm very thankful for this forum and the people within it...

i've learned so much in the last week or so... hoping that more time and effort will provide better results...
 
BillyBo said:
interesting, compression actually made my vocals louder, unless you are recording at too high of a level, they shouldnt come down.

at the meter at the bottom, try to have your vocals ride close to -18 or -15. then hit the record button. so when you add your FX, you can compress at whatever settings are good for you (i use -18, and 3:1 ratio).

other than that, if you need to correct the levels after compression, just use the volume adjustment to the sides of each track.



bless.

Compression ALWAYS makes things quiter... that's what it does. It takes down levels above a certain volume threshold. IF it made them louder it was because you used makeup gain. which is gain added AFTER compression to "make-up" for what level was lost in compression. I personally try to track pretty hot... but that's just me. Whach out for boggin down your comp with too many real time effects though.
 
mrT said:
Compression ALWAYS makes things quiter... that's what it does. It takes down levels above a certain volume threshold. IF it made them louder it was because you used makeup gain. which is gain added AFTER compression to "make-up" for what level was lost in compression. I personally try to track pretty hot... but that's just me. Whach out for boggin down your comp with too many real time effects though.

yea the ony real time effect in interested in using is compression perrsonally..... so far i feel everything else should be done after
 
BillyBo said:
he did a small picture tutorial for me, but he charges for consultation. so i dropped him some bills for all his help.... which was way more than just the compression settings help... he helped me out a lot while we worked on our colab for my album. mainly on mixing techniques and some business talk. anyways, i guess what i'm getting at is that i wont post his work for that reason. you'll have to hit him up if you want him to post it...... if he's down w/ that.



Bless.

man don't be throwin him money. you got a question just hit up your man from MC. BillyWo.
 
if you must know the complete truth, Change did it as a favor for a brother. i asked if he charged for consultations and he said he actually did... so i sent him a few bills as a gesture, not because he charged me. it's all good tho.
 
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