Ladies and Gentleman I do not reccomend buying anything from Zook250...

[bigwillz24]

Sold me a busted microphone and refuses to return payment.

 

[tnjazz]

Did you use a credit card to pay?

If so, then you can get your money back.

 

[zook250]

i dont feel i have to post the details of this sale and many inaccuracies in his description of how the goods had arrived, but there are such things as bad buyers, especially when you sell online. by his description, i should have put a rock in the box. there are reasons for not refunding his money and i dont deal with blackmailers.

 

[kojdogg]

i dont feel i have to post the details of this sale and many inaccuracies in his description of how the goods had arrived, but there are such things as bad buyers, especially when you sell online. by his description, i should have put a rock in the box. there are reasons for not refunding his money and i dont deal with blackmailers.

just a question here, but how can you comment on "inaccuracies" about the condition of the goods unless you were there when he opened it?

edit: to clarify, there may very well have been damage during shipping, which is why i insure everything i sell online (which sucks yes). in my experience, it's the shippers responsibility to file claims for damage to goods shipped and then the shipper/seller who is reimbursed (ostensibly then to refund the buyer) if a claim is paid.

 

[zook250]

because he has sent me many emails in which the story changes, including naming a different shipping company all the way to accussing me of leaving the item in the rain. there are many things he has told me that leave me to believe that he has either changed out the components with another 5000 or he has damaged the mic himself. he told me that he disasembled it before he even used it.

 

[DavidK]

i dont feel i have to post the details of this sale

You do if you wish to sell anything on this forum, or else your red chicklet level will go through the floor. BigWillz had been very active in the forum for a long time and seems like a very good guy.

 

[Track Rat]

Rod, how about that firewire cable?

 

[zook250]

i know he has been very active and he was a good guy to deal with it seemed. payment was fast and everything went extremely well. then out of the blue after he had the mic for a a few days, i get an email that is acusing me of everything under the sun. i used the mic with great care and it was always stored in its flight case. when i plugged it in it always worked and i got some great recording from this mic. i play in 3 bands and my recording time has been drastically reduced, the last recording i did with this mic, less than a month ago was for a girl covering some celine dion type material and the mic worked excellent in every respect.

the list of problems he told me about was shocking. he knows every part inside the mic like the caps and tubes and so on , what parts came from certain countries etc. i dont have any electronics experience and have never opened the mic, why open it up if it works? he said the power supply sounded like it was going to explode, and was leaking ozone? screws missing,heavily modified internals, broken shockmount, shotty cord,missused cord to the microphone etc. it goes on and on. he asked me why i hadnt taken it apart because he said it was so easy to do, i told him i dont take things aprt that work. then he complained about the box it was in. this mic comes in a well padded compartmentalized case. he said all the components were josteled around to the point where he was worried that everything was damaged. this is when he said he dismantled the mic and found that it was heavily modified according to him. he said he did this as soon as he took it out of the case. then he used it and it was dead. could somthng have happened when he dismantled it. he accused me of leaving it in the rain and using the wrong shipping company. can someone please go to www.ups.com, type in weybill m2118180440, and tell him that ups did in fact deliver to him.

is there anything stopping him from replacing the internals with another se 5000? from his emails it sounds like he has had a lot of experience with this mic, knowing what parts and numbers they should be from the factory. i know the mic was sent out in working order, how would i know if he is sending me back the right mic, if i have no idea of the internals or construction aspects used in making this mic?

im sorry if this is pissing you guys off, but this is a very frusterating experience. the other items i sold were to DAAV and i think he is happy with them.

i dont believe this belongs here ,but someone asked me to post the details, if roderick feels he has to resort blackmail then thats his choice.

agian sorry to you all for having this aired in this form.

 

[DavidK]

im sorry if this is pissing you guys off, but this is a very frusterating experience. the other items i sold were to DAAV and i think he is happy with them.

I doubt its pissing anybody off, what do we care? You were called out on something, and you gave a reasonable explanation. You guys will settle it your way. Occasionally we get a scam artist here and your story certainly doesnt fit that description.

 

[second skin]

I doubt its pissing anybody off, what do we care? You were called out on something, and you gave a reasonable explanation. You guys will settle it your way. Occasionally we get a scam artist here and your story certainly doesnt fit that description.

maybe it doesn't fit the bill but a lot of people out there will automatically side with the guy that is claiming he got scammed. i know i have not been around here for very long but from what i've seen on a lot of other forums is that people tend to side with the person that is making the claim. i'm not taking sides in any way at all. just wanted to point that out that people like to stick up for the one they see as the "victim" even if they don't have all of the facts available. forums are rarely the correct place to take care of this sort of thing.

 

[daav]

I did a transaction with zook250 that went very well.

Doesn't mean he couldn't be a bastard if something didn't go well, but I can at least vouch that he doesn't rip people off as a rule.

I also agree that bigwillz24 has been here for a long time and is not likely to poop where he lives, so to speak.

daav

 

[mshilarious]

Well, I haven't heard back bigwillz's side yet, but stipulating everything you have written, you should not have sold a mic you hadn't tested in a month. It should be tested immediately before packing.

It also sounds like you didn't know the mic was modded, but there is no reason to believe it was not in fact modded. That does impact the mic's value, sometimes positively, sometimes not.

Right now we don't have bigwillz's description of how he tested the mic before he opened it. He should have tested it before opening, but we don't know if that happened or not.

It seems there may be some fault on both sides, perhaps only on one side. But in the end, a buyer has a reasonable time to inspect merchandise upon receipt. In this case, a buyer received a mic that was modded, and has a right to reject based upon that fact alone. If it can be established that opening the mic damaged the mic, then the cost of repair should be deducted from the refund. That fact should ideally be established by a factory authorized repair or other competent technician.

If instead the mic was damaged in shipping, then it is the seller's obligation to file for an insurance claim (in fact, only the seller is able to). The buyer must cooperate in an insurance claim by retaining all packaging and returning the item and packaging to the carrier as instructed. If the packaging is found to be inadequate by the carrier, they will typically deny a claim.

 

[MadAudio]

I too would like to hear bigwillz' elaboration on this, but I appreciate Zook250's rapid response and defense. bigwillz is one of my peeps, but seeing as Zook has been an HR member since 2002 gives the latter on this argument a bit of leeway IMO.

My two pennies in - one heads up, the other tails.

 

[xiaorong]

It also sounds like you didn't know the mic was modded, but there is no reason to believe it was not in fact modded.

Actually, there's as much reason to believe the mic was modded as there is to believe that it wasn't. Why favor one person's unsubstantiated claims over another's? Zook250 claimed that he'd never opened the mic and that he found Bigwillz' mod claims "shocking". Do you see a reason to favor bw here? Or zook, for that matter?

As no one has offered any definitive proof yet, the only people here that could know whether the mic was modded are zook250 and bigwillis. Yes?

It seems a little early to skewer one or both of them here in the court of public opinion.

 

[mshilarious]

Actually, there's as much reason to believe the mic was modded as there is to believe that it wasn't. Why favor one person's unsubstantiated claims over another's?

Look, I ain't skewering anybody, but as a seller of mics, if a customer doesn't like a mic, broke a mic, claims a mic was damaged in shipping, I lose, every time. Because I am aware of that outcome, I make it my policy.

 

[DavidK]

maybe it doesn't fit the bill but a lot of people out there will automatically side with the guy that is claiming he got scammed. i know i have not been around here for very long but from what i've seen on a lot of other forums is that people tend to side with the person that is making the claim. i'm not taking sides in any way at all. just wanted to point that out that people like to stick up for the one they see as the "victim" even if they don't have all of the facts available. forums are rarely the correct place to take care of this sort of thing.

I am not siding with anyone. Zook defended himself, I thought he should and I asked him to, he did the right thing.

 

[ez_willis]

i dont deal with blackmailers.

"Blackmailers"?

Sue him, willz! The color of your skin has nothing to do with this!

 

[xiaorong]

Look, I ain't skewering anybody, but as a seller of mics, if a customer doesn't like a mic, broke a mic, claims a mic was damaged in shipping, I lose, every time. Because I am aware of that outcome, I make it my policy.

Fair enough, skewered was too strong. But, it's a very different thing to say "in my experience, people can get screwed royally in these situations" than it is to take some unproven statement as fact and begin drawing conclusions.

 

[bigwillz24]

i know he has been very active and he was a good guy to deal with it seemed. payment was fast and everything went extremely well.

Yep I always pay promptly.

then out of the blue after he had the mic for a a few days, i get an email that is acusing me of everything under the sun.

Well yeah I asked if you had modified the mic because it had a freakin USA tube in it. Then i tried plugging it in and the cable was all jacked up. So i fixed the cable so could plug the thing into the power supply. Turned it on and the power supply sounded like whuuuurrrr to a light hum like grounding issue stuff.
The mic didn't work then noticed that a screw on the metal housing of the power supply was missing. You didnt answer me back so I pm'd you again.

Well I was pretty teed off by that time anyway

i used the mic with great care and it was always stored in its flight case. when i plugged it in it always worked and i got some great recording from this mic.

That's great it wasn't working when it got to me.

i play in 3 bands and my recording time has been drastically reduced, the last recording i did with this mic, less than a month ago was for a girl covering some celine dion type material and the mic worked excellent in every respect.

That's great it wasn't working when it got to me.

the list of problems he told me about was shocking. he knows every part inside the mic like the caps and tubes and so on , what parts came from certain countries etc. i dont have any electronics experience and have never opened the mic, why open it up if it works?

Well it doesn't take much to figure out a mic from china shouldn't have a tube from the usa in it. 2. Don't tell me you don't inspect anything you get offline.

he said the power supply sounded like it was going to explode, and was leaking ozone?

yeah you turn the thing on and it sounds that electronic whine going Wooooooooooiuuuuuur like it's going to explode. I didn't say leaking ozone I said the transformer smelled like ozone or burnt electronics take your pic I said them both.

screws missing,heavily modified internals, broken shockmount, shotty cord,missused cord to the microphone etc.

no one screw missing. yeah hany differant brands of caps do they put in a chinese mic?

it goes on and on. he asked me why i hadnt taken it apart because he said it was so easy to do, i told him i dont take things aprt that work. then he complained about the box it was in. this mic comes in a well padded compartmentalized case. he said all the components were josteled around to the point where he was worried that everything was damaged.

I didn't ask why you never took it apart. I said i find it hard to believe that you haven't hell he accused me of switching components the very first pm.

this is when he said he dismantled the mic and found that it was heavily modified according to him. he said he did this as soon as he took it out of the case. then he used it and it was dead.

Unscrewing the body off of a TUBE mic won't break it. Infact most are made so you can change the tube out if it ever goes bad. Yeah diffearant type caps differant tube. Yeah that sounds heavily modified to me.

could somthng have happened when he dismantled it

nope

he accused me of leaving it in the rain and using the wrong shipping company.

I didn't say YOU left it in the rain I said it looks like the case may have got rained on or wet during shipment.

can someone please go to www.ups.com, type in weybill m2118180440, and tell him that ups did in fact deliver to him.

this didn't show up the first time I did it. It did show up for another company that he said was cheaper to ship through. However, the package did arrive from UPS. I told him the traking number for UPS is normally starts with 1z not m.

is there anything stopping him from replacing the internals with another se 5000?

yeah I just run around online everyday looking for SE5000 mics.

from his emails it sounds like he has had a lot of experience with this mic, knowing what parts and numbers they should be from the factory.

Readily availible on the internet. What you don't reasearch the stuff you buy either?

i know the mic was sent out in working order, how would i know if he is sending me back the right mic, if i have no idea of the internals or construction aspects used in making this mic?

Yes so call UPS I seem to remeber suggesting that too. You told me the mic was as new. then you turned around and said you bought it from a guy here. Then I told you it's not as new then. Then I said if you're questining my story ask the guy before you if he modified it.

Then he straight up suggested that I take a long walk off a short pier by saying that he wasn't going to talk with me anymore. So I told him that I had no choice but to bring it in the public then.

im sorry if this is pissing you guys off, but this is a very frusterating experience. the other items i sold were to DAAV and i think he is happy with them.

I'd be happy too if the mic worked when it got here.

Honestly dude you sound like a straight up guy. I belive the mic was damaged during shipping and was modified by the owner before you. But you accused me of lieng first.

i dont believe this belongs here ,but someone asked me to post the details, if roderick feels he has to resort blackmail then thats his choice.

agian sorry to you all for having this aired in this form.

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This is exactly where this thread belongs and I didn't black mail you. If you post the pm's I don't care I have nothing to hide.

 

[Lt. Bob]

Honestly dude you sound like a straight up guy. I belive the mic was damaged during shipping and was modified by the owner before you.

ok .... both of you guys sound reasonable in your explanations to us .... so apply that to each other and we won't have to call Dr. Phil.