kidkage vs. latency

[kidkage]

Us800 has arrived. It's laptop production center setup time.

Zoom g9.2tt DI into Tascam Us800.
Us800 into Dell Latitude e6510 Dual Core i5 4GB RAM.
Dell e6510 into Cubase 6.
Headphones on thru us800.
Monitor on in Cubase 6.

Start playing the metal \m/
"... I didn't know I had a delay on this patch... I DON'T HAVE A DELAY ON THIS PATCH!!!"
... *turn off monitor button in Cubase. play geetars. no delay. turn on monitor button in cubase again then hear delay. turn off monitor button then again, no delay* = this must be that latency thing everyone talks about
cubase showed 4.535 ms

I've got the latency set to 192 in the tascam control panel for the 800. 44.1 khz (should I move to 96khz).

On my desktop, even with my old CPU and 6gb RAM my latency time was only 2.xx ms. I never really noticed the delay. Not sure if that was due to it being only 2ms, or that I had monitors that I was 2 feet away from or perhaps I had the monitor mix knob on the 1800 (the desktop interface) set to computer sounds only (in which case I guess it actually wouldve been more likely for me to hear the delay. which I dont recall hearing).

What's confusing me the most though is that last night when I installed everything last night cubase was showing the latency time as 2.xx ms, but today it 4.535ms.
What could be causing that?

 

[moresound]

I like the title to this thread ..... I see movie rights here.

 

[kidkage]

I like the title to this thread ..... I see movie rights here.

...must...spread...rep

 

[GazEcc]

Just try monitoring through your interface for recording and playing back thru cubase?

should kill all problems

 

[guitaristic]

Tascam problems, eh?


It's dark times like these that I like to shine the Jimmy69-signal up into the sky!!!

 

[kidkage]

Just try monitoring through your interface for recording and playing back thru cubase?

should kill all problems

This is what we in the recording industry call a good point
I'm not sure if the 800 has that hardware/computer monitor mix knob.

Anyway
So if I hardware monitor the guitar while recording then when I go to record the bass later. Ill be hardware monitoring the bass as im playing along to cubase's guitar playback
...will that create "lag" problems?

 

[kidkage]

Tascam problems, eh?


It's dark times like these that I like to shine the Jimmy69-signal up into the sky!!!

*jimmy69 signal*

I try to refrain from blowing his phone up with texts

 

[mjbphotos]

You do the hardware/computer mix with the software with the Tascam US-800. I imagine the OP wants to monitor the recorded signal as it comes out of the VST, that's what presents the latency problem. As long as you can live with hearing the straight input signal, do as said, and turn off the DAW monitor.

 

[JimmyS1969]

*jimmy69 signal*

I try to refrain from blowing his phone up with texts

LMAO!

One annoying thing about the US800 is that every time you power the unit off, the buffer setting returns to default setting. I believe 512 or something. The setting is not saved with project file because of the way it's control panel is not accessed within Cubase. See if that is your issue first....

 

[kidkage]

One annoying thing about the US800 is that every time you power the unit off, the buffer setting returns to default setting. I believe 512 or something. The setting is not saved with project file because of the way it's control panel is not accessed within Cubase. See if that is your issue first....

Yeah, it's strange. Especially compared to the us1800.

I opened it up and set it from 512 to 192. I also went ahead and changed the sample rate to 96khz. And at 96khz it's latency time is 2ms which I can barely notice even through headphones.
At 44.1 its 4ms though.

Why is that the case?
I would assume that a higher sample rate would = higher latency times

Either way, guess i'll just track at 192/96khz.

 

[bouldersoundguy]

Buffers are storing the same number of samples but passing them through twice as fast.

 

[moresound]

Tascam problems, eh?


It's dark times like these that I like to shine the Jimmy69-signal up into the sky!!!

*jimmy69 signal*

I try to refrain from blowing his phone up with texts

LMAO!

One annoying thing about the US800 is that every time you power the unit off, the buffer setting returns to default setting. I believe 512 or something. The setting is not saved with project file because of the way it's control panel is not accessed within Cubase. See if that is your issue first....

And now we see Jim ..... silhouetted on the horizon with clenched fists on hips and cape flying in unison with the American flag!

It's a great day in HRville.

 

[kidkage]

Why is it that my latency numbers look high yet I dont notice a delay?

 

[bouldersoundguy]

Why is it that my latency numbers look high yet I dont notice a delay?

Maybe the latency numbers refer to the trip through the computer but you're listening to the direct monitor that skips that trip.

 

[kidkage]

Maybe the latency numbers refer to the trip through the computer but you're listening to the direct monitor that skips that trip.

That was what I initially though, but then I setup to monitor just through the computer. I overdubbed some guitar stuff and did some virtual instrument stuff as well.

I mean don't get me wrong- I love that I don't notice a delay. That's what everyone is aiming for right?

I was just like... is there a hidden thing I'm not seeing somewhere? Maybe I'll notice the delay when _____.

But I also think I read somewhere through google that most DAWs and computers now days manage to compensate somehow so that latency isn't a problem... is that true?

 

[bouldersoundguy]

That was what I initially though, but then I setup to monitor just through the computer. I overdubbed some guitar stuff and did some virtual instrument stuff as well.

I mean don't get me wrong- I love that I don't notice a delay. That's what everyone is aiming for right?

I was just like... is there a hidden thing I'm not seeing somewhere? Maybe I'll notice the delay when _____.

What are the latency numbers? 5-10ms is in the same range as playing through a guitar amp or listening through a stage monitor. That should be tolerable or even not noticeable.

But I also think I read somewhere through google that most DAWs and computers now days manage to compensate somehow so that latency isn't a problem... is that true?

Most DAWs compensate for plugin delay, but you'd need a time machine to compensate for latency. You can minimize it several ways including smaller buffers or higher sampling frequencies but some amount of time passes between making a sound and hearing it back.

 

[kidkage]

What are the latency numbers? 5-10ms is in the same range as playing through a guitar amp or listening through a stage monitor. That should be tolerable or even not noticeable.

the highest input latency time I've had has been 4.(xx)ms Normally it's at 1.(xx) or 2.(xx). *knock on wood*

My output latency times manage to sit above 10ms most of the time. normally 12 or 13.

Which number is more important? Input or output?

 

[bouldersoundguy]

the highest input latency time I've had has been 4.(xx)ms Normally it's at 1.(xx) or 2.(xx). *knock on wood*

My output latency times manage to sit above 10ms most of the time. normally 12 or 13.

Which number is more important? Input or output?

Even if it's both added together you're still under 20ms and in the tolerable range. That would be like standing 15' or so away from your amp, something that wouldn't be uncommon on stage. Latency starts affecting the feel by 25ms or so, and around 30ms it becomes an obvious echo that would make recording in time difficult.