Kick! Double, or single?

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Double or single?

  • Double pedal

    Votes: 37 52.9%

  • Single pedal

    Votes: 33 47.1%
  • Total voters
    70
dkerwood said:
don't tell me that if some guys asked you to come jam and they started playing some metal riffs, you'd look down at your feet and say, "Gee, guys, I don't have the gear to play metal right now....
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Yeah, pretty much. Playing Metal with a single kick is like playing it with a ukelele instead of a guitar. If I only had my ukelele, I'd tell them to play something else.

This is metal. Try to cover this territory with a single kick. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UqKp4-KkHs
 
metalhead28 said:
Yeah, pretty much. Playing Metal with a single kick is like playing it with a ukelele instead of a guitar. If I only had my ukelele, I'd tell them to play something else.
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That's funny. So many otherwise talented drummers would be crippled if their Iron Cobra went belly up?

I'll tell you what. If you're good, you can do what you want. If you suck and you're using the double kick as a crutch, you're only hurting yourself. Get your right foot under control and see if you still need that double stuff...

FWIW, if I had only my uke and someone mentioned a metal song, I'd play along. Heck, you can make a "subgenre" based upon a heavily distorted ukulele!
 
dkerwood said:
This is an interesting concept. You've got me intrigued. Do you have any sound samples?
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Uhhhh . . . . uhhhh . . . I'll let you in on a secret . . . I pretty much made up that entire post, but as soon as I figure out how to hit a drum 80 times a second, I'll let you know :o
 
depends on the application. Single peddle is more comfortable and allows you to keep the hi-hat tight with the snare so I do that when I'm not playing metal. Of course two bass drums is mandatory for metal but double pedals are more practical because it's a pain in the arse to get two bass drums to sound the exact same.
 
mshilarious said:
Uhhhh . . . . uhhhh . . . I'll let you in on a secret . . . I pretty much made up that entire post, but as soon as I figure out how to hit a drum 80 times a second, I'll let you know :o
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Whoops! Let that one slip past me. :D
 
dkerwood said:
That's funny. So many otherwise talented drummers would be crippled if their Iron Cobra went belly up?

I'll tell you what. If you're good, you can do what you want. If you suck and you're using the double kick as a crutch, you're only hurting yourself. Get your right foot under control and see if you still need that double stuff...

FWIW, if I had only my uke and someone mentioned a metal song, I'd play along. Heck, you can make a "subgenre" based upon a heavily distorted ukulele!
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Blah, blah, blah....yadda, yadda, yadda.... :rolleyes:

They would be crippled when it came to playing metal. You just don't get it do you? Sure, you could pretend to be so good and creative that you didn't need the double kicks, and then all the metal fans would just leave because you're an idiot and a pretentious ass.

Everybody knows that double kick patterns alone don't make for a good drummer...you don't have to keep banging on it.
But why does that point suggest that someone should not learn double pedal technique if they like it? If somebody really sucks, the double bass technique isn't going to cover that up...it's not like they're faking everybody out with it...and if it happens to be part of their drumming style and it sounds cool to the fans, why does that suck? If they're playing a genre of music that doesn't really call for it they're probably not going to be doing it. I've never heard a country player and said "you know, he's really leaning on the double bass too much"...because they don't use it. Likewise, I've never said that about a metal drummer even if he played double kicks through an entire 4 minute song.

By the way, please post a video of yourself playing the material from the video I posted using a single pedal. No really....I want to see why you don't think it's necessary. :p
If you remove the frantic feel of that music it becomes something else entirely. Sometimes drumming is supposed to be dynamic and expressive, and sometimes it's supposed to sound like a war zone with attack helicopters hovering overhead.

I'm inclined to think that you just lack amazing double kick chops and you want to keep emphasizing how much more important single pedal chops are.... :cool:

It reminds me of the shred guitar debate where people who can't shred consistently talk about how lame shredding is. ;)
 
Lomas said:
OT I know, but what is shredding?
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Quite simply, fast guitar playing. With a heavy emphasis on technique and dexterity.
 
metalhead28 said:
I'm inclined to think that you just lack amazing double kick chops and you want to keep emphasizing how much more important single pedal chops are.... :cool:
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You've got me there. Because I do believe that developing amazing single pedal chops are a prerequisite to moving on to double pedals, I don't own a double pedal. I'm still not satisfied with my own single pedal chops yet - I'm trying to get up to the speed of an average double kick player, and I'm not quite there yet. It's frustrating at times, but I know it can be done. When I get to the point where I think I've hit the limit of the pedal, I'll consider moving on to another piece of equipment.

For now, though, I think the faulty equipment lies between the pedal and the throne... :cool:

Seriously, though, I appreciate you guys opening my eyes to a genre that I really hadn't paid much heed to before. I see a lot of kids around here dink around with double kick for the same reason that their guitarist tunes to drop D - so that they can play faster with little or no additional work. It's nice to know that this can be used with serious musicianship and discipline.
 
dkerwood said:
I'm trying to get up to the speed of an average double kick player, and I'm not quite there yet.
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Speed isn't the problem, keeping it up for 5 minutes is the problem.


dkerwood said:
I see a lot of kids around here dink around with double kick for the same reason that their guitarist tunes to drop D - so that they can play faster with little or no additional work. It's nice to know that this can be used with serious musicianship and discipline.
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Tuning in drop-D doesn't allow you to play faster or easier. It allows you to play lower (because that changes the tone of the guitar) and also allows you to do extended chords and inversions that you can't otherwise on a normally tuned instrument. Tuning the guitar a full step down (all the strings, not just the low one) just gives you a deeper tone and might make it easier on your singer.

None of this is cheating.
 
Farview said:
Speed isn't the problem. Keeping it up for five minutes...
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Lol... I'm working on that, too.
Farview said:
Tuning in drop-D doesn't allow you to play faster or easier. It allows you to play lower (because that changes the tone of the guitar) and also allows you to do extended chords and inversions that you can't otherwise on a normally tuned instrument. Tuning the guitar a full step down (all the strings, not just the low one) just gives you a deeper tone and might make it easier on your singer.
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You misunderstood what I said as an attack on drop D tuning. I know very well that drop D is a legitimate tuning for the instrument. Heck, I even write quite a bit in drop D.

But let's not mince words here. Put the guitar in drop D, and you instantly have one finger power chords. Sixteenth note runs of 1-2-b3-1-2-b3-1-2 abound, and require ZERO talent or technique. A lot of people do this not for tone, not for special chords or inversions, and certainly not to help out a singer. They drop it down to turn a guitar into an idiot stick. THAT'S what I have an issue with.
 
dkerwood said:
Sixteenth note runs of 1-2-b3-1-2-b3-1-2 abound, and require ZERO talent or technique.
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1-2-flat3 is all on the same string no matter what tuning you use. I'm not getting how it is any easier.

The 1 finger power chord is kind of a crutch, but it only gives you a root-5th chord. You can't get the third by just laying your finger across the neck.
 
I play tuned down to B alot, and don't own any drums. I think I'm in the wrong thread.
 
Farview said:
1-2-flat3 is all on the same string no matter what tuning you use. I'm not getting how it is any easier.
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I'm talking about the power chords for the scale degrees, not just the notes.
Farview said:
The 1 finger power chord is kind of a crutch, but it only gives you a root-5th chord. You can't get the third by just laying your finger across the neck.
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Which is why it's called a power chord. :D

To reiterate, I'm all for using alternate techniques, tunings, and equipment if it broadens your musical scope. For example, my extended range bass has done amazing things to my bass technique and even to how I approach the fretboard altogether (guitar included).

But if you use a technique, tuning, or equipment just because it's easier, your musical scope becomes more narrow - the cliche of "slacker musicians" comes from this type of mentality.
 
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