Karma Mic Package On Sale...should I bite?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Guitardude324
  • Start date Start date
G

Guitardude324

New member
I've been eyeing the micro condensors that both Karma Audio and Naiant offer. Seem like a really cool deal to pick up for random use, but I especially looked at them for cheap drum miking...maybe used along with drumagog eventually.

Anyways, I noticed that the Karma mic package (7 micro mics and 7 mic clips in a nice little case) was on sale for $79. Figured I'd learn more about the mics before I jumped on this deal.

I'm pretty strapped for cash. Currently, I am a college students with little money in the bank, and a band who wants to record and start gigging in town. So I've been looking at picking up a cheap way to record decent drums...I currently program EZDrummer, but I'm not very good at getting them to sound like realistic patterns and grooves.

So, Anyone know anything about these Karma mics in this package, and if this sale is something I should bite on?

Any advise would help me greatly!
 
I picked up 8 of the Karma's from the first batch manufactured.
I think they are more an omni but are listed as carido...:confused::confused:
I have not tried the New High SPL model's.

I didn't have any luck using them on toms.

I think you would have a dull sounding drum kit if you used 7 of the Karma' on a kit.


I do like the Naiant MSH-1 Omni's as O/H mics. And got good results with the MSH-3 Cardioid on a snare.
 
So then the Karma's are much different than the Naiants?

I would 90% sample the snare, toms, and bass using Drumagog or some other sampling plugin, so only the hats' and OH's would be needing to sound acceptable.

So, now that I think about it...should I spend $80+shipping and then buy Drumagog @$270, or would I be better off picking up a few used 57's for toms, and a matched pair of SDC overheads and a kick mic?

The idea is, either get cheap mics to use for replacing to get a good drum sound, or getting more expensive mics and getting a good real drum sound.

Could get a decent drum sound with spending under $400 on mics?
 
I've been eyeing the micro condensors that both Karma Audio and Naiant offer.
Haven't used the Karmas. I've used the Naiants often and have been very impressed with the sound quality compared to high end mic's in my cabinet.

Have you heard the drum overhead samples on the Naiant site?
 
The idea is, either get cheap mics to use for replacing to get a good drum sound, or getting more expensive mics and getting a good real drum sound.

Considering getting a "good, real drum sound" probably relies more on the room acoutics, the kit (specifically head quality and tuning), the player and especially careful mic placement more than the quality of the mics I'd suggest you consider the replacement/augmenting option.

:cool:
 
That's what I was leaning towards, since, being a college student, I don't have a permanent space to record in. Drums will be recorded wherever we can set them up, so the replacement option is mighty tempting.

Any other opinions on the Karma mics? At $80 for 7 mics and clips, I can't really see how this isn't a good deal, unless they are much much worse than the Naiant mini's.

Will the Karma's work for use as OH's, hats, and maybe acoustic guitar miking or other random uses?

I have a 57, an MXL990, and a Groove Tubes GT55 as my other mics currently.
 
I just ordered a Karma K-6 a couple seconds ago, and almost added a couple K-Micros to the cart...But I think I'm gonna go for a pair Naiant MSH-2s instead...
 
I just ordered a Karma K-6 a couple seconds ago, and almost added a couple K-Micros to the cart...But I think I'm gonna go for a pair Naiant MSH-2s instead...

I think you'll like the Naiant mics a -lot- more than the K-Micro. First, the MSH-2 has a larger diaphragm, so it should have lower noise. Second, my K-Micro distorts even when used on piano. It clips at about 70 dB SPL. Basically I couldn't find any source where it was usable volume-wise without being unusable distortion-wise. Maybe mine was bad. Hard to say. One of these days, I'll drive across town and see if they'll swap it for a working one. Hasn't happened yet, though. :D
 
I think you'll like the Naiant mics a -lot- more than the K-Micro. First, the MSH-2 has a larger diaphragm, so it should have lower noise. Second, my K-Micro distorts even when used on piano. It clips at about 70 dB SPL. Basically I couldn't find any source where it was usable volume-wise without being unusable distortion-wise. Maybe mine was bad. Hard to say. One of these days, I'll drive across town and see if they'll swap it for a working one. Hasn't happened yet, though. :D

Hmm, glad I saw this. It never showed up on my UserCP. Thanks!
 
Ok, I have the SB7 Drum Mic Package and I only have good things to say about them. I have used Drumagog and let me tell you, it's kicka**. So, you are wise to believe that such would be a good idea for a person in your situation. The only problem you might have with the mics are hooking them up. They require phantom power, you need enough boom stands/drum clips, and you need the proper room to make sure you can isolate more efficiently. Drumagog really takes the edge off of drum recording, so good luck. They actually pick up the snare pretty well too. I've recorded vocals, drums, guitars, etc. with these and have had nothing but great results.

The problem most people have is the fact that they forget the mics are so cheap. They buy them expecting the sound of an MD421. Proportionately these things are an amazing deal. Overall, I love these things so give it a try.
 

YA
got a 3 pack of the 57 on the way
those and a 100 foot roll of tweed balanced cable and nutrick LXR plugs.
icon14.gif

all I need now is about 100 bucks worth of mic stands
 
Last night I tried out the SIlver Bullet drum pack at a show just for fun. So far I have only used them on toms. I did not expect much of them because they are so cheap. What I really wanted to know about them is how they compared with my beta 98's which are considerably more expensive (About 25 times more expensive). I raqn them on a good quality PA in a room that I am very familiar with. In this room I have used the Audix micro's, Shure beta 98's and beta 56's, Sennheiser 604's and 421's and even my favorite old EV 408's. What I found last night was extremely surprising to me. Last night I used them on 6 bands using kits ranging from a crappy little yamaha Rydeen and a chepy Pearl Forum kit all the way to a nicer DW, Orange County and C&C kit. Basically, these mics impressed the hell out of me on toms. In my opinion they were MUCH nicer than ALL of the mics I listed above on toms. The low end on the toms was absolutely amazing, the highs on the stick attack was nice and present, and the mids had a nice little dip that is commonly eq'ed on tom mics. Basically I really had to run the mics fairly flat, and on the nicer tuned kits I had to start dipping lows that normally need a nice little boost. Basically, these were the first time I have ever had a tom mic that was really just about perfect right out the gate. Even on the nasty kits they still sounded great. Based on my experience I want to try one on kick, but I am afraid that it will be too big and as a result be hard to manage. I have a feeling that on some snares they may be incredible, but on other snares it may be too tilted of a sound and not the right choice. For the way I like to run overheads in a PA, which is full bore with some nice compression and used as a whole kit mic and not just cymbals, they may trun out to be great. The only thing I am worried about on overheads so far is that they may not offer enough detail or dimension. So far though those are only guesses based on last nights use since as of yet I have only used them on toms. Every one of the headlining drummers asked me about the mics last night since they are small and look different than what they are used to, and because all of the drummers form the touring bands recognized how bad the opening bands kits were, but loved the sound of the toms anyhow.

At this point I am absolutely blown away. I expected them to be sub par due to their extremely low cost. Part of me almost wanted to not like them based on that, but from the second I pushed the first fader I knew I was probably about to buy more. At this point I will probably start with ordering 1 more set for the studio and 6 more sets for my 6 live mic packs for rentals. I did order four of the original Karma mics and was not impressed at all. Any time they got near anything loud they would distort like mad and were unusable anywhere near a drum set. The newere ones rated for the higher SPL's however showed no hint of stress last night, and require very little gain. A PA is certainly not the best place to analyze a mic to see how noisy it is, but last night I heard no noise that I could attribute to mic or preamp. Once I get a chance to use them in the studio I will be able to check that a lot better since my console is dead silent. The other thing that I did notice is that they have a very hot output. On toms I needed very little gain on a padded channel. Preamp nopise should certainly not be an issue with these little guys. At $80 for a 7 mic set and a cute little case for them, I thik these mics are an absolute steal.
 
They better be as good as you say on toms, since I have a couple arriving in some days :)
 
I'm thinking about picking up the SB7 kit, just 'cause for 10 bucks more than a pair of Naiant MSH-2s, I get a nice case, along with 5 more of em, even if I don't need em.
 
...I agree with Xstatic on these mics...they're very sensitive...keep your gain low as he detailed (especially when engaging the phantom power)...with a little fine tuning you should be able to get some very impressive results...tools, such as these micro mics, are only as good as the skills of the person putting them to use...;)
 
Back
Top