Just listen to both and share...

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mixmkr, I don't think I follow here. I got mixes before mastering that are louder than this song is.

Ed
 
I have no clue what the difference is, but I like version 2 better. Why I don't know... ;)
 
Okay, it seems that the consensus is that #2 sounds better. I agree with that fully!

#1 was encoded in Wavelab using the Lame codec.

#2 was encoded in Audioactive Production Studio using the Fraunhofer codec.

This is a funny story, because I started using Wavelab to encode, THINKING I was still using a Frauhofer codec. I tend to just encode, then send them out without listening. So anyways, when I got my dsl and some webspace to upload to, I started listening through some stuff to see what I wanted to upload. I was noticing some disturbing things when I did. I was noticing that the stuff I encoded a long time ago sounded much tighter and more like the original .wav files than stuff I had encoded recently. Then Slackmaster pointed out after my last 128 compared to 192 test I posted that Wavelab uses the Lame codec. ?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! OH shit! I double checked that, and sure enough.

So, I started a few A/B's between Lame and Frauhofer. I posted this example because of the very subtle nuances in the drums, and the very wide dynamic range of the song.

So, anyway, I still stand behind my suggestion to use Fraunhofer codecs. To my ears, at 192kbs, Frauhofer offers a better conversion. It sounds much more like the original .wav than Lame does. If you use Lame and are happy with it, well, go to town friend. I am not happy with Lame. I don't like the way it tends to smear the sound all across the frequency spectrum, and it seems to produce weird sounding artifacts to the audio.

Thanks for participating guys. Your reponses have strengthened my resolve to stick with and only recommend Frauhofer codecs for mp3 encoding.

Ed
 
i have two questions for anyone who knows:

1. Does anyone know which mp3 encoder Soundforge uses (lame/fraunhoffer)?
2. How does wma 9 encoding compare?

edit.....by the way, i really liked that drummer.
 
I was about to say that the 1st one is better, but then again, I check them, it's only the winamp playlist that fooled me :D But I agree with almost of you guys, the first one is more "warm" and yes, I can hear it clear, the second one got more "harsh".

Okay, mr. sonusman, you explained alot and clear about the difference in point of encoder view. now, my question is from the player point of view. I mean, does Windows Media Player gives you different result than Winamp to our ears ? I don't know much about these, but I've heard they have somekind of "difference audio enginee" or sumthin. So, which one will you prefer ? Thanks :)
 
OK, this is weird: I just discovered I listened to a 6 second sample of version 1 and a 9 second sample of version 2. Hence my first post :) I thought Sonusman was playing with us a by giving us really short samples. Fact is: I had screwed-up downloads. How silly is that?

Thanks for the comment about the drummer, erichenryus. Otherwise I would've never known about my stupid mistake. :)

I'll download them tomorrow (it's the middle of the night around here, but I couldn't sleep...but I have to right now) and listen to it again. Hopefully my ears can hear the difference when the tracks are a bit longer than 6 seconds.

Goodnight,

the silly dutch boy
 
Clemie said:
I was about to say that the 1st one is better, but then again, I check them, it's only the winamp playlist that fooled me :D But I agree with almost of you guys, the first one is more "warm" and yes, I can hear it clear, the second one got more "harsh".

Have to disagree with that. To me, #1 is the harsh one.;)

Two questions about encoding to sonusman, or anyone else who knows:

1: Is dither a part of the encoding process? Seems like it should be since the bitrate is what's being altered. Maybe that could partially explain the differences between encoders.

2: Does iTunes use the Fraunhofer codec? I think it encodes pretty damn good myself.
 
Yay! I heard the difference!

Must.........find..........Fraunhofer codec!

Does anyone what codec Musicmatch uses?

boo, boo, amateur....amateur!

OK, where can I get Fraunhofer and does it cost me any money?
 
last time i checked musicmatch uses fraunhofer but i haven't used it in a while.
 
Just checked...it still does :D

That's why my MP3's sounded so cool LOL
 
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