Just got my mixer, very dissapointed.

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i strongly reccomend the gigabyte k8ns ultra if it fits your setup..a DAW builder reccomended it to me, and it is perfect....there is a guy on the cakewalk.hardware forum who knows a lot about what mobos to avoid..do a search on there too.
 
stash98 said:
i strongly reccomend the gigabyte k8ns ultra if it fits your setup..a DAW builder reccomended it to me, and it is perfect....there is a guy on the cakewalk.hardware forum who knows a lot about what mobos to avoid..do a search on there too.
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I'll check that out. I've been considering the ASUS A8V Deluxe (v. 2.0) K8T800
 
from what I have read Asus is bad for firewire interfaces...do a LOT of research on this before you buy.

my setup so you know,

Athlon 939 3500 w/ 2 gigs of dual channel RAM
3 7200 speed HDs, sample drive is SATA
gigabyte mobo.

I love this thing..ultra quiet and it is very fast...I researched for a month at least before buying though.
 
poo_noodles said:
The behringer is fine for me, but for about $40-50 more there are many alternatives that are perfect for what I need and would provide far superior quality. There is nothing wrong with the behringer, I am getting the quality I expected, the quality I paid for. I do think it would have been wise of me to save a little bit more so I could have solid, nice sounding piece of gear that will last me awhile. Which is why I think I am going to get the m-audio duo.
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I'm in the camp with the folks recommending a standalone preamp directly into your sound card. For the same money as a cheap mixer you'll probably get a better sound.
 
stash98 said:
from what I have read Asus is bad for firewire interfaces...do a LOT of research on this before you buy.

my setup so you know,

Athlon 939 3500 w/ 2 gigs of dual channel RAM
3 7200 speed HDs, sample drive is SATA
gigabyte mobo.

I love this thing..ultra quiet and it is very fast...I researched for a month at least before buying though.
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That's what I'm doing. I have until I pay off my new guitar (I got a no-interest for 6 mos. CC).

Current rig: Athlon XP 2800, 1 gig DDR, 120 gig WD 7200 HD, Asus mobo w/ pci firewire, and the Firebox, plus a Mackie 1202 VLZ PRO, SB Audigy LS, and a Shure KSM27.
 
oh dude, you are set then with that gigabyte mobo...It's not too expensive.
the asus is what is causing you issues. It has a bad PCI interface for firewire.

For me, it was between the MSI, and the gigabyte. but after consulting a DAW builder I went with the giga.

Asus mobos are great, but more geared for gamers then guys like us.
 
A lot of heat against the Behringer product. I will have to agree that the manufacturing is questionable. They tend to be a hit and miss in that department but the design is sound. I don't have any problems with my toy being noisy. I've worked on 32 channel analogue rigs that were much noisier. If you take a look at some of the Tapco(Mackie) and lower end Yamaha, even someof the Low end Soudncraft boards you'll notice a deep similarity in design with the Behringers. Granted the majority of the Behringer products are a result of reverse engineering. Then again what did they reverse engineer from? Well, truth be told, it was a lot of major brands that shot themselves in the foot when they decided to manufacture in China and allowed the manufacturers to copy their technology. So there we have it, you might complain about Behringer product but in reality many of the "other" companies have their product manufactured in the same factories. This should be common knowledge by now. Computerized and robotic manufacturing has eliminated much of the quality issues. Cheap labor has added some other quality problems. In the end, the components are the same. The only major difference is the label on the box. Of course you can't compare a simple 5 channel behringer to a 64 channel Solid State Logic but no body should even try. That's just ludicrous.
 
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Hubbawho said:
well then explain why Behingers almost always suck. :)
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behringers suck when you start to layer tons of tracks with them. if you are recording a few tracks and you are using your soundblaster to do it, trust me the behringer is not going to weaken your chain. gosh!
 
good point...but doesn't that have a lot to do with the Sound Blaster? I mean sound blasters aren't really designed for recording are they? I used to use one and just connected it through my mackie 16 channel...it actually didn't sound that bad. Connect the same mixer to a good sound card, and now it sounds better. In the end, I think both the behringer AND the sound blaster weaken the chain. But I do think you make a fair point.
 
Hubbawho: you've used a lot of Behringer product I guess? What's with that? Are you a Behringer afficionado? If you use your soundblaster to record, it doesn't matter what mixer you have, it's still going to suck. Once you get into a card that is at a prosumer level you realize what you were missing. Then if you get into some of the high end gear you start to wonder how you made due with the petty toys. I know what it's like to sit behind a $200,000.00 SSL and a U47. A fart sounds good if you've got expensive gear. In a home situation you make due. That's just the way it goes. To go rambling saying an entire line of product is garbage, is idiotic. I can't help but think that your just saying they suck because that's what you want to say. 'Cause everyone else says so.
 
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okay...but don't forget I did basically agree with you. lol

I was just attempting to point out the difference between a mackie or a behringer, not challenge you in any way. My only point is that I used a sound blaster for a behringer, yamaha, and a mackie mixer back a couple of years ago, and the mackie was best, yamaha was pretty good, and behringer just decent. It's important to know that yes behringer still won't be as good as some other brands, so that later on, if this guy ends up investing in better equipment, he has learned two valuable lessons: not all sound cards are the same, and not all mixers are the same.

Although you aren't 100% correct, I still understand your point that the sound card will most likely diminish the quality whether or not a good mixer is used, but a good mixer still helps increase it more than a bad one would.
 
please stop hating on the soundblaster.. sick of hearing that even though im gettin a e-mu 1212 my next paycheck sound blaster audigy 2 is not bad and i can prove this go to soundclic.com in the hiphop section and go to listen to "DZK" his shit sounds real good
 
KnightMere said:
please stop hating on the soundblaster.. sick of hearing that even though im gettin a e-mu 1212 my next paycheck sound blaster audigy 2 is not bad and i can prove this go to soundclic.com in the hiphop section and go to listen to "DZK" his shit sounds real good
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true......
 
I haven't listened to it, but seeing as most hip-hop only involves one or two recorded tracks, the sound card is less crucial.
 
Someone said earlier that ASUS mobo's are bad for PCI based firewire....what about a mobo like the ASUS AV8 Deluxe, that has a built in firwire port?

I have been testing the Presonus Firebox. I am getting a signal that hovers around -30db when recording my acoustic guitar through an xlr condenser mic with 48v boost enabled.

The gain on my Firebox is set to about 3 o'clock (max is about 6 o'clock). If I turn the gain to 6 o'clock I get a fair bit of unwanted noise...could be my room/ PC noises/ could be the preamps...not sure.

Is that a natural level reading for an acoustic guitar into a condenser mic? -30db? Played about a foot or so from the sound hole? In the edit view, the recorded waveform is just a horizontal line, with no 'wave' 'form'...this can't be good!

The news that ASUS mobos are no good is a worry

Any help appreciated, thanks
 
Monkey Allen said:
Someone said earlier that ASUS mobo's are bad for PCI based firewire....what about a mobo like the ASUS AV8 Deluxe, that has a built in firwire port?

I have been testing the Presonus Firebox. I am getting a signal that hovers around -30db when recording my acoustic guitar through an xlr condenser mic with 48v boost enabled.

The gain on my Firebox is set to about 3 o'clock (max is about 6 o'clock). If I turn the gain to 6 o'clock I get a fair bit of unwanted noise...could be my room/ PC noises/ could be the preamps...not sure.

Is that a natural level reading for an acoustic guitar into a condenser mic? -30db? Played about a foot or so from the sound hole? In the edit view, the recorded waveform is just a horizontal line, with no 'wave' 'form'...this can't be good!

The news that ASUS mobos are no good is a worry

Any help appreciated, thanks
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The pre-amps on the Firebox are quiet. I get nice clean sound with mine, and I crank the imput level to the max and set the levels in software. I have a Shure KSM27 and that's real nice. I picked up noise on my first recording of acoustic guitar, but I had the mic on a table stand on my desk, and I had my computer sitting on top of the desk. I got a regular mic stand and lost the noise. The problem I have now is monitoring in real time, and figureing out how to use Cubase.

I was thinking of getting one of those boards you mentioned, but saw the same warning. I don't remember which board I have in there now, but I know it's an A socket with an AMD Athlon XP. The firewire is PCI that I installed myself. I have a lot of latency, but I think if I figure out how to make all the settings right I should be able to get my direct monitoring goin' on.

I know this doesn't answer all your questions, but I hope it helps.
 
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